God’s identity: the Trinity

SOME DEFINITIONS

GOD THE SPIRIT

1) Father and Son are always in two places. Whereas the Spirit is omnipresent & omnipotent. 2) Father and Son share the Spirit with each other. 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hence: 3) the Spirit of God makes all three persons of God: omnipresent (eyes & ears everywhere) omnipotent (‘hands’ everywhere).

The Father does many things by his Spirit: Designed & created the material that formed the universe. Gen c1, , Conceived his Son. Luke c1 v35, , But the Father does not do everything by his Spirit: An angel killed an enemy army in the night. 2 Kings c19 v35, , Angels will sort us on Judgment Day. Matt c13 v24-30 & v36-43 & v47-50, , You might suppose, from the above, that God does the right-&-good tasks but dumps the right-but-bad tasks onto angels. However, God does do some bad things: , See earlier section: SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT THINGS THAT GOD DOES. Though notice (through the above red link) that God doesn’t do bad things in this Church Age. So, it’s not only: ‘who does what’, it’s also: ‘when it’s done’. , See earlier section: THE CHURCH AGE and its two subsections. , Perhaps see fifteenth cell (starting In these New Testament times) , of earlier section: WHY GOD’S WORDS HAVE POWER.

The Spirit has: . . power . . . . . no authority. Angels have: . . . . power . . . . . no authority. The Father has: . . authority . . no power. The Son has: . . . . authority . . no power. Authority = Someone giving you, or denying you, permission to do it. Letting you, or stopping you, do it. Power = You, quite separately, possessing the ability to do it.

Hence: 1) You pray: You ask, or someone asks you to ask, the Father to fix a distant problem. Then the Father tells: the Spirit or angels to fix that problem. 2) You pray: The Father prompts his Spirit, inside you, to prompt you to tell the Father to fix a distant problem. Then the Father tells: the Spirit or angels to fix that problem. 3) You command: You have authority (Jesus’ name & Jesus’ promises) and power (the Spirit). So, to fix a problem, up close, you speak to it, in Jesus’ name. See earlier section: WHY GOD’S WORDS HAVE POWER, , , , .

The Father gave authority to Jesus who then gave that authority to us. Matt c28 v18-20 John c20 v21-23 Technically – it was sharing. But from the receiver’s point of view – it was giving: The Father stepped back to let his Son take centre stage. Then the Son finished his work and gave us centre stage.

Notice that Jesus gave us authority: by way of his name and by way of his promises. , See: Matt c28 v18-20,,, , and Elliott’s Commentary at the beginning of: BibleHub: Matt c28 v18,,, , and see: John c20 v21-23. ,,, Then, a little while later, at Pentecost, the Father gave us power: by way of giving us his Spirit. Acts c2 v1-4,,, Thus God made us believers each as complete as the Trinity . . Col c2 v9-10: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: KJV . . so that we can command miracles. Perhaps see later section: CONTINUING THE SON’S WORK. , , , , ,

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In John c16 v7 Jesus said: I must go from here, must leave everyone, to enable me to give the Spirit to everyone. But I reckon that, technically speaking, he meant: I must be crucified in place of everyone (die: hence leave). This makes everyone holy in my Father’s eyes. This enables him to give his Holy Spirit to everyone.

God gave his Holy Spirit in the Old Testament too: But only to some people. And it was only temporary. And not intimate. Whereas, after Pentecost: God gave his Holy Spirit to everyone. And, in believers, it’s permanent. And intimate. John c15

Mind you, even though God gave his Spirit to everyone: Only those who’ve accepted Jesus’ sayings: “forgive all who’ve hurt you”, “love your (personal) enemies”, etc, will accept help to do them, namely from God’s Spirit. Only those who’ve accepted the Son also accept the Spirit. The Spirit makes no sense to unbelievers. John c14 v16-17: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. KJV Perhaps read the whole of John c14., , , , .

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GOD’S SPIRIT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE), AND WHY GOD’S SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS) ARE BOTH WISPY.

Technically speaking: God’s Spirit is dynamic. , John c3 v8: , The wind bloweth where it listeth, , and thou hearest the sound thereof, , but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: , so is every one that is born of the Spirit. KJV But a human spirit(core) is a structure. So, God’s Spirit and a human spirit(core) are structurally incompatible with each other. So their relationship is not: one-blending-with-the-other but: dynamic-affecting-static. So God’s Spirit sets up home in every believer’s spirit(core) (and soul – if they’ve renewed their mind): without blending, without becoming one with him/her, without becoming one structure.

As I wrote above, God’s Spirit is dynamic. Hence, to us, he is wispy, ghosty, insubstantial. A human spirit(ghost) is a structure. But, it’s a structure that’s not readily detected by the living. Hence, to us, a human spirit(ghost), is also wispy ghosty, insubstantial.

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To see the difference between spirit(core) and spirit(ghost) see earlier webpage: The two meanings of the word ‘spirit’.,,,,,,,

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USES OF THE WORD ‘GOD’

About two-thousand years ago, God, miraculously, had a Son, Jesus, by a young Jewish woman named Mary. This changed God’s title from: God to: God the Father. Jesus is such an extreme cross breed (like crossing a rabbit with a car) that he is not: half God, half human, but: all God, all human.

Hence there are seven possible meanings of the word ‘God’: 1) Father 2) Son 3) Spirit 4) Father & Son 5) Father & Spirit 6) Son & Spirit 7) Father & Son & Spirit 1) 2) 3) & 7) are commonly used. 4) 5) & 6) are rarely, if ever, used.

Mary is the mother of 2). But not of 1) or 3). Nor therefore of 4) 5) 6) or 7).

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GOD THE SON

Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG. Old Testament miracles were each: 1) right-&-good or 2) right-&-bad or 3) both, in one scenario. But all of Jesus’ miracles were: 1) right-&-good with one minor exception: when he miraculously trashed a fig tree. , Note: a tree, a thing not a person. I reckon Jesus cursed a fig tree because it was like the ‘religious’ leaders that he knew he was about to meet. Matt c21 v19-20 Mark c11 v12-14 & v20 It was all leaves. They were all show. It had no fruit. They had nothing good to offer. Matt c21 v21 – c23 v36 Mark c11 v27 – c12 v40 , , . Likewise, all believers’ miracles, in Acts, were right-&-good with only a few minor exceptions.

Jesus needed the Spirit so as to have power so as to do miracles (just like Old Testament people needed the Spirit to do miracles). So, when Jesus was 30 years old, the Father simply gave him the Spirit. Matt c3 v16-17 Mark c1 v10-11,,,,, Luke c3 v21-22 John c1 v32-34,,,,, Later on, Jesus’ crucifixion would earn us the Spirit so that we too could do miracles (in Jesus’ name of course).

As for our future relationship with the Spirit: Sometimes the Bible says we go to Heaven. But sometimes the Bible says we go to a New Earth. Isa c65 v17 Isa c66 v22 2 Pet c3 v13 Rev c21 v1,,, I reckon that we go to a New Earth and that it’s in some sort of sub-dimension of the First Dimension. ,, ,, Perhaps see earlier section: FIRST COMPLAINT. That way everyone there has the Spirit permanently. Matt c28 v20 John c14 v18 Heb c13 v5 ,, ,, Also see bottom pair of cells (starting Any being) ,, ,, of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS. For, if we went to Heaven, the First Dimension, instead the Spirit there would be the Father. ,, ,, The third cell (starting And that same phrase) ,, ,, of later section: AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SPIRIT’S EXISTENCE ,, ,, explains how this works.

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God’s Spirit went into Jesus then immediately led him into the wilderness where he stayed for forty days: Matt c3 v13 – c4 v11 Mark c1 v9-13 Luke c3 v21-23 & c4 v1-13 While there, God’s Spirit prompted him to: o Fast (eat no food, drink only water). , Jesus was fully God, but also fully human. , That’s why he needed to fast for so long. o Be tempted by Satan so that he could say “No” to Satan. o And, I reckon, pray to God his Father, both talking and hearing.

Or, to put it another way: I reckon Jesus prayed & fasted for forty days to finish off renewing his mind: o End the earthliness of his life with its earthly priorities: His beliefs: ever copied, by his spirit(core), from his spirit(core), to his mind, now overriding earthly expectations. o Be alone, away from the world: So that he could hear, clearly, not only Satan, but also his Father. o Be alone, away from the world: So that Satan could not speak to him through family & friends. , Like Satan later spoke to him , through Peter. Matt c16 v16-23 Mark c8 v33 . o Etc.

Jesus is one with, and is the image of, his Father. John c10 v30 Heb c1 v3 So Jesus had always had a telepathic connection with his Father, and a nearly renewed mind. Luke c2 v39-52 Hence, any Old Testament scripture that Jesus hadn’t read, the Father, via the Spirit, would’ve told him about. And, any OT scripture the Father thought needed perfecting, the Father, via the Spirit, would’ve also told him about: , E.G. Old Testament, , , , New Testament , Deut c24 v1-4 Gen c2 v19-25, , Matt c19 v3-12 Mark c10 v2-12 So, unlike our minds, Jesus’ mind was nearly renewed even before he had the Spirit. In this, Jesus had a head start over us. Perhaps see later section: WHAT IS A RENEWED MIND? , , .

Satan tempted Jesus for the whole forty days Luke c4 v2a,,,,, (though, presumably, in an intermittent way). Near the end of fasting & praying, when Jesus was starving, Satan tempted him with: Matt c4 v1-11 Luke c4 v1-13: “Create some food, do good to yourself. You don’t need the Father (decrease your relationship with him). Act from only the flesh, not from the spirit(core).” my abbreviation Implying that the Father is mean spirited, not loving. (when in fact, afterwards, the Father sent angels, with food, to Jesus). Other than this fast, Jesus practiced the opposite of fasting. E.G. He ate just before his trials in the garden of Gethsemane. Matt c26 Mark c14,,,,,

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Then, at age 30, after he had fasted for 40 days & nights in the wilderness, Jesus had a three year ministry, in which he: a) Healed individuals. b) Forgave, as God the Son, some people, each individually, of all their sins. Mark c2 v5 , , , , Notice 1) in next paragraph. c) Revealed the: self-love, and hatred of God, of some who were in charge of administering God’s laws. Matt c23 d) Preached that: God’s laws had revealed God’s justice. But, now, God was revealing his mercy. Luke c15 e) Taught his twelve disciples: to heal and to preach that God is revealing his mercy. f) And much more. Then, when Jesus was 33 years old, in chronological order: 1) He allowed himself to be Punished in place of all of us as the Father’s Forgiveness of everyone. , Notice b) in previous paragraph. 2) Jesus’ spirit(ghost) went to paradise for three days Luke c23 v43 while his body stayed in the tomb. , , Perhaps see: , , Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?. 3) After those three days: Jesus rose from the dead; not as a spirit(ghost), but as substantial, , Perhaps see: Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday. and, for forty days, visited his friends & disciples. 4) One such visit included him telling his disciples to wait, in Jerusalem, for God’s Spirit. 5) Then he went to Heaven, to sit, enthroned, at the right of his Father: his hardest work done, the baton handed over to us.

Regarding: ‘the baton handed over to us’ and: John c5 v19: ctd … The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. KJV Andrew Wommack makes an important comparison between Jesus and us: Andrew Wommack's Free Online Commentary Note 4 on John 5:19. (You may also want Andrew’s commentary on: John c10 v30 & John c15 v5.) , , ,

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So, Jesus now sits enthroned, in Heaven, next to his enthroned Father. That doesn’t mean he’s trapped there. He is free to move: In space & time in Heaven, the First Dimension. And to, & in, this Second Dimension. He is a king who is able to move away from his throne. So, if he wants to see, or even be part of, healings etc, there’s nothing stopping him. After all, he paid for it, so it’s only logical that he would want to enjoy what he’s paid for. He’d be visible to all, or some, or none, as he wants: He could appear, at different places on the planet, all at the same time, because he can travel in time in Heaven. , Perhaps see earlier webpage: , There is time in Heaven , and earlier section: , HOW JESUS EXISTED BEFORE HE WAS BORN. , , , ,

Time travel in Heaven means that: The Father in Heaven is the Spirit here, everywhere, all the time, The resurrected Jesus, in Heaven, can be here, with whoever, whenever.

Jesus appears here because: He loves us, so he encourages us, Luke c24 v13-53: Encouragement on the road to Emmaus. my abbn especially in our times of difficulty. Acts c7 v51-60: Encouragement while being martyred. my abbn , Perhaps also see: , YouTube: – NZ highlights: CATHOLICS encounter JESUS' POWER, joy, miracles, healing, deliverance, message, , at: 57m 35s to: 59m 20s.

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WHY WAS JESUS EXECUTED?

Not all the Pharisees wanted Jesus dead. At least Nicodemus wanted to hear what Jesus had to say. John c3 v1-21 John c7 v50-52 John c19 v39 (Acts c5 v34-42). But most Pharisees wanted him dead or the leading Pharisees wanted him dead or both. And a fair portion of the public must have wanted Jesus dead for the Pharisees to achieve what they did. Matt c27 v15-26 Mark c15 v6-15,,,,, Luke c23 v13-25 John c18 v29 – c19 v16,,,,,

Perhaps those particular Pharisees were wicked. Perhaps see later section: JESUS’ USE OF THE WORDS ‘RIGHTEOUS’ AND ‘WICKED’.,,,,, Perhaps they were righteous but practicing guilt projection Perhaps see later section: GUILT PROJECTION.,,,,, in which case they’d have been encouraged by demons: The demons would have encouraged the Pharisees to have Jesus killed by telepathically reminding them, repeatedly, of two of God’s commandments to all Jews: 1) I am one God, not many gods. Deut c6 v4 Mark c12 v29 Gal c3 v20. 2) So worship only me, not the many pagan gods that the nations around you worship. Exo c20 v3 Exo c34 v14 Deut c5 v7. Deut c6 v13-14 Deut c8 v19 Deut c11 v16-17. Deut c17 v2-5 Matt c4 v10 Luke c4 v8. , Those pagan gods were only idols. , Mind you, they were demon-backed idols, , so they were potent, though not as potent as God.

God gave these two commandments to the Jews because of their atrocious propensity , (atrocious – considering God’s past miracles in their favour) for worshipping idols: Exo c31 v18 – c32 v16 Bible Odyssey: The Worship of the Golden Calf by Baruch J. Schwartz Wikipedia: Thou shalt have no other gods before me Bible Odyssey: The Ten Commandments (Exod 20) by William P. Brown, , , ,

Hence demons telepathically repeatedly said, to righteous Pharisees, about God: ,, ,, ,, 1) I am one God, not many gods. ,, (true) ,, ,, ,, 2) Worship only me. ,, ,, ,, ,, (a right command) ,, ,, ,, 3) Hence Jesus is not God’s Son. ,, (illogical) Wicked Pharisees would have thought this anyway.

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Jesus usually called himself “the Son of man” and, less frequently: “the Son of God. These two phrases each mean virtually the opposite of what most people (including most Christians) think they mean: Watch R. C. Sproul explain. (4 minute video) YouTube: – The Difference Between "Son of God" and "Son of Man",,, and you’ll see that, by calling himself: the Son of man and certain other phrases*, Jesus was actually calling himself: the Son of God. Indeed, it’s because calling himself the Son of God, in this way, was so clear, that the religious leaders promptly executed him for blasphemy. Mark c14 v55-65, note v62 Matt c26 v59-68, note v64

The *certain other phrases that Jesus called himself were: o I am. Exo c3 v14,,, (this is the name God gave to himself). o I will sit at God’s right hand. Luke c22 v69 Psalm 110 v1, o I will return, on the clouds, in the sky. Mark c13 v26 Daniel c7 v9-14,,, o No man has ascended to Heaven except the one who came down from Heaven. John c3 v1-21,,, o I am the Lord of the sabbath. Matt c12 v1-29 note v8 & Mark c2 (& Luke c6 v1-11). Even there, & then, the public weren’t that familiar with scripture. Hence it was only the religious leaders who saw the weight of what Jesus was saying.

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Jesus’ miracles & compassion made it obvious, to the righteous, that he was God’s Son. Yet Jesus often told them to not share their thoughts with others. Why? I reckon: Partly so that he remained free of crowds so that he could minister to people. Mark c1 v39-45,,, But mainly so that as little news as possible, of his divinity, reached the religious leaders. For Jesus did not want his ministry to be cut short by his crucifixion. He first needed to teach his followers: how to do what he did and much more.

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Realise that God, using what Jesus did & didn’t say, was even co-ordinating demonic activity! Just before Satan spoke through Peter Jesus had been speaking about his coming crucifixion and resurrection. Matt c16 v21-23 Mark c8 v31-33,, That’s what made Satan say, through Peter: “Jesus: don’t be crucified.” But later, nearer the time of the crucifixion, Satan was swayed by the disciples’ lack of expectancy of a resurrection. Hence Satan had a change of mind, helped cause the crucifixion. John c13 c27-30 & c18 v1-5: Satan entered Judas to encourage him to betray Jesus. my abbreviation , Andrew Wommack says, I reckon rightly, that God is like a master chess player.

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All of the above (all of this section) is because Jesus: Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed, for being: the Son of God and king of the Jews. Matt c27 v37 Mark c15 v26 ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, Luke c23 v38 John c19 v1-22,,, Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed: merely for telling the truth, for no good legal reason. Wanted to be innocent yet legitimately executed. For Jesus and his Father had a shared understanding that, in his Father’s eyes, Jesus would take our place. , Perhaps see later section: THE THREE POINTS OF VIEW, , .

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THE VIRGIN BIRTH

Words are important to God for the same reason they are important to us: for specifying things/intentions/actions/etc. , , Perhaps see earlier section: , , ANIMALS WITH LARGE BRAINS. Hence: o God, throughout the Old Testament, communicated to us using actions and words. o One of Jesus’ names is: the Word [i.e. God’s words] made flesh. John c1 v1-14 o God commanded the material of the universe into existence using words. Heb c11 v3 Gen c1 Therefore God commanded the material that Jesus was initially made of into existence using words.

Jesus was conceived, and grew up, made entirely of the material of the universe: material God had designed & made. The Father must have also designed & made the DNA that he used to conceive Jesus: For the Father is structured differently from us and is made of different materials from us. So he could not supply the DNA pattern from his own body. So, Jesus was made, not begotten. So how could Jesus be begotten, not made? For: Creating means: Creating materials outside of yourself. Making means: Manipulating materials outside of yourself. Begetting means: Giving a bit of yourself thus also duplicating the pattern of yourself.

Answer: Our human form is shaped by: o Gravity pulling us down onto a flat surface. o Our need for: locomotion, respiration, digestion, reproduction, sexual attraction. o Our need for: fingers (& therefore arms), forward vision, hearing, & perhaps smell. o The effect our eternal nature has on our bodies (e.g. grunts becoming words). , Perhaps see fourth cell (starting: I reckon the real Adam(s)) , to the end, of earlier section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL ADAM & EVE AS REAL. o Etc. Does the Father possess, & so exhibit, our range of genetic qualities? No. He even consists of different materials from us. So, the Father used materials of the universe (or made some fresh) to make the DNA that he used to beget Jesus. And, more importantly, he designed the DNA that he provided. This is not the Father begetting: contributing a bit of himself. This is the Father making: manipulating materials outside of himself.

However, I reckon that our meaning of begetting is primitive compared to God’s meaning of begetting: When we beget there is no guarantee that the child will be like the parents regarding the spirit(core). Regarding the soul and body. Yes. Regarding the spirit(core). No. , , Perhaps see later webpage: , , The spirit & the soul, , , , , ,

But, when the Father begat Jesus, Luke c1 v26-38, the only thing the Father could give Mary that was of himself was himself. God’s will goes into anyone he begets: John c10 v30 (John c14 v8-11): I and my Father are one. KJV John c5 v19: Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. KJV John c14 v9-11: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. KJV

Father & Son & Spirit: Share one spirit(core). But have different roles so they have similar, but separate, souls. Jesus, being human, had a spirit(ghost). He was dead for a short while during which time he was a spirit(ghost). Luke c23 v32-43 Notably v43 2 Cor c12 v1-4 Father & Son: Have separate bodies. The Spirit: Has no body, is dynamic. , Perhaps see earlier section: , GOD’S SPIRIT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE), AND WHY GOD’S SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS) ARE BOTH WISPY.

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To conclude: this section is an explanation of how: A) Jesus is begotten: Luke c1 v35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. KJV yet: B) Jesus is also made of the Father’s words: John c1 v14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. KJV

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RESURRECTION: JESUS’ & OURS.

A believer: 1) Starts as a substantial, temporary, body. 2) Then is an insubstantial, spirit(ghost), who sleeps in death. 3) Then is a substantial body again, but this time eternal. Jesus likewise: 1) Starts as a substantial, temporary, body. 2) Then is an insubstantial, spirit(ghost), who went to Paradise. 3) Then is a substantial body again, but this time, eternal.

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Many people: want to be buried, not cremated, want to still be ‘all there’, because they think that God can only work with their original body, however much it’s decayed. But, in fact: God uses their spirit(ghost), not their fleshly body, as the pattern for their eternal body. Transforms their spirit(ghost) into an eternal body. , Perhaps see earlier section: , SPIRIT: AN APPARENT DUPLICATION OF THE WHOLE PERSON , and the section after it.

One reason God does not use a believer’s fleshly body is that he would have to make so many adjustments due to decay. It’s simpler to use their spirit(ghost) as the pattern (then de-age it, or age it if it were a child). Hence, even if someone died one minute before Judgment Day: so that they were resurrected one minute after dying, were a spirit(ghost) for only one minute, God would still use their spirit(ghost) as their pattern and not their fleshly body.

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We will each end up having had two bodies: 1. An old, temporary, fleshly, body. 2. A new, eternal, body. Whereas Jesus ended up having had only one body: 1. One body, which, when resurrected, became eternal. Yet which, when eternal, still showed the un-healed wounds of his crucifixion. John c20 , One gospel has Jesus letting, both Mary Magdalene & the other Mary, , hold his feet. Matt c28 v9 , But another gospel has Jesus: , telling Mary Magdalene not to hold him, i.e. not embrace him, , yet telling Thomas to thrust his hand into his side. John c20 , I assume this was because Jesus thought that Mary Magdalene , would be unnecessarily disconcerted , at embracing him and finding a hole in his side.

Jesus did have a spirit(ghost): He was dead for a short while during which time he was a spirit(ghost). Luke c23 v32-43 Notably v43 2 Cor c12 v1-4 So I reckon God used: Jesus’ spirit(ghost) as the pattern for his new, eternal, body. But Jesus’ old, fleshly, body as the material for his new, eternal, body (though transforming the material to make it eternal). I reckon God did this in order to make it clear, to his disciples, that the resurrection was not a con. If Jesus had had two bodies, as we do: his old, dead, body still in one place, his new, eternal, body now appearing in another place, then it could have looked like a con: twins, or a look-alike, one dead, one alive. It would not have been that clear that there was only one person involved.

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THE WORDS THAT THE FATHER CONTRIBUTED FOR THE CONCEPTION OF JESUS.

Regarding the section before last, about Jesus being both: begotten and made of the Father’s words: Andrew Wommack says that all the words spoken: prophetically, about Jesus, in the Old Testament, by the Father, through people, were words that God later used to conceive Jesus. , See: Day 2, Session 3: Andrew Wommack, The Believer's Authority Published on Mar 5, 2009. , at: 9, 14, 16, 28, & 32, minutes. , and: Lessons From the Christmas Story for Every Season Published on: Sep 18, 2010E. , at 27 minutes.

I agree with Andrew. , , Indeed, I reckon that there might not have been enough of those words, , , that God had to speak more words. But I reckon Andrew should not: forget A) Jesus is begotten but: remember B) Jesus is also made of the Father’s words, then: rephrase B) as “Jesus was created”. , Perhaps listen again to the links in the previous cell.

I reckon: We were . . made . . . . . not begotten. Jesus was . . begotten . . not made or created. We originated in this Second Dimension and are made of the material of the universe. Jesus, too, originated in this Second Dimension and is made of the material of the universe. But, unlike us: o Jesus is one with the Father: the Son, & the Father, & the Spirit, all share the same spirit(core). o Jesus is made of the Father’s words.

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Perhaps see a related disagreement that I have with Andrew in earlier section: CREATING MATTER, BUT MAKING HUMANS. But all credit to Andrew for tackling these subjects. I’ve seen no one else try. As I wrote in earlier section: INTRODUCTION: So strongly do I approve of the rest of Andrew’s teaching that I have zero passion for disagreeing with him.

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JESUS’ MINISTRY

Jesus is such an extreme cross breed (like crossing a rabbit with a car) that he is not: half God, half human, but: all God, all human.

In chronological order, Jesus was: 1) all God . . . . so he would want to . . . . . . do 2) 3) 4) & 5) 2) all God . . . . so he would live . . . . . . . . . . a sinless life 3) all human . . so him living a sinless life . . would make 4) work 4) all human . . so he could . . . . . . . . . . . . . . die in our place 5) all God . . . . so he . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wouldn’t stay dead.

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QUALITY NOT QUANTITY

Jesus’ suffering worked: not because he suffered more than anyone else , many people have suffered more than Jesus did, and for longer, nor because he was innocent , babies, or very mentally retarded adults, are also innocent , but their suffering could never achieve what Jesus’ suffering achieved nor because he chose to suffer for humanity , there are many (war) heroes who saw their impending deaths as for humanity.

Jesus’ suffering worked: because he was innocent & because he chose to suffer for all of us & because he suffered brutally and: because he was, & is, the only begotten Son of God.

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WHY IS GOD MALE?

The universe is God’s breeding ground for beings: eternal creatures, a bit like himself (i.e. humans & aliens). , , Perhaps see first row of cells , , of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS , , and first cell , , of later section: OVERVIEW. Unlike reproduction of animals, reproduction of beings should be thought of as one, big, structure. See earlier section: THIS INCLUDES ALL DESCENDENTS, , .

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For most creatures, genetically improving design, over time, requires two biological genders: male & female. Perhaps see earlier section: EVOLUTION OF PLANTS & ANIMALS. That the female human: gets pregnant and does the early child rearing, means that, at least historically, females are more domestic, need sustaining & defending, etc. Hence, certainly historically, males tend to lead. This is why God is thought of as male – because he leads.

Also, if God had been the mother of Jesus, with Joseph discretely robbed of semen: Then Jesus would have been born in Heaven then raised, at least for a while, in Heaven. Then, at the age of five or twelve or whatever, been delivered to his father & stepmother on Earth. Amongst other things that would have been conspicuous, not in keeping with God’s tendency to hide. Perhaps see earlier section: WHAT’S WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION?, , .

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THE THREE PERSONS OF GOD

THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER

Some Christians say: 1) “Jesus and the Father are alike , See fifth cell (starting: But, when the Father begat Jesus) , of earlier section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH. 2) not some of the time but all of the time.”

I agree with 1). But I disagree with 2): “During the crucifixion: Father and Son were not alike: The Son was on the Cross, did not preside over the situation. The Father was not on the Cross, did preside over the situation. Each was where the other was not.

The Son had all of God’s love towards us. The Father had all of God’s justice towards us. Their roles were opposite.”

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BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THE ABOVE

During the crucifixion: The Son had all of God’s love towards us. The Father had all of God’s justice towards us.

The Father had no love towards us: Luke c23 v44-45: God even stopped the sun shining. my abbn The Father had no love for the Son: Matt c27 v46 Mark c15 v34: God forsook the Son. my abbreviation The Father had all of God’s justice towards us.

The Son made no complaints of injustice. Luke c23 v34: Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do … ctd KJV This shows that, during the crucifixion, the Son was different from the Father: Jesus had already forgiven them. Now he was asking his Father to do likewise, showing that his Father would otherwise have not done so. The Son had all of God’s love towards us.

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THE THREE POINTS OF VIEW

Unbelievers see only nails holding Jesus to a cross.

Demons likewise saw only nails holding Jesus to a cross. Why? Because the things that build demons’ minds are: o Their own bad spirits(cores). o God’s design of the material of the universe that we are part of. , Perhaps see earlier section: , IN WHAT WAYS DID GOD MAKE THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS? .,,, o The choices we make. , Our life is their life. They are our parasites. , Perhaps see first two cells of earlier section: THE BASIC MECHANICS.,,,,, Hence demons’ minds cannot comprehend what they’re not built to comprehend. Hence, for a while, demons wanted, so much, to see Jesus executed that, though they should have known it would backfire, they did not know. , Perhaps see cell (starting Just before Satan spoke) , of later section: section: WHY DO DEMONS ONLY TEMPT, WHY NOT CONTROL?.

However, someone who has walked on water can get off a cross. The truth is – it was Jesus’ love for us all that held him to a cross.

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AGREEMENT

The three persons of God do not always do the same thing: Sometimes they do different things: during the crucifixion for example.

But all three persons of God agree: As to what should be done. That different roles are needed. Which role each should play. All because those roles: Are right. Are the most constructive in the long run. , Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG.

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DURING THE CRUCIFIXION: FATHER, SON, & SPIRIT, ARE ALL PARTS OF ONE PERSON

FATHER & SON

Eventually, the Godhead will have to decide where we humans are going. If he were completely loving – he would accept everyone. If he were completely just – he would reject everyone. In each case, the Godhead would be shown to be deficient by human standards (let alone his own standards): An ultra-soft hippy or an ultra-legalistic judge. Not a complete person.

We humans each have to be both loving and just to make our many, daily, moral decisions. So the Godhead, making more, & larger, moral decisions than we make: must have – at least what we have must be – at least what we are must be – both loving and just.

Therefore, during the crucifixion: The Father was shown to be: a part of a person, not a complete person. The Son was shown to be: another part of that same person, not a complete person.

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GOD’S SPIRIT

In the Bible, there are some instances where God’s Spirit is written as an ‘it’. Rom c8 v16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: KJV Rom c8 v26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. KJV These imply that God’s Spirit is a thing, not a person or even a part of a person.

But there is a greater number of instances where God’s Spirit is written as a ‘he’. John c16 v8: And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: KJV John c16 v13-14: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. KJV 1 Cor c12 v11: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. KJV These imply that God’s Spirit is a person or, at times, part of a person.

The article: Institute for Religious Research / Biblical Christianity / , Neuter Pneuma and Neuter Pronouns Mean Not a Person: , Bad Arguments against the Personhood of the Holy Spirit #1. explains why the Bible scriptures that call God’s Spirit a thing are wrong. To conclude: God’s Spirit is: A person or part of a person. Not a thing.

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During the crucifixion, Jesus said: Matt c27 v46 (Mark c15 v34): ctd … Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? KJV This shows that, during the crucifixion, Jesus did not have the Spirit. Hence, during the crucifixion, the Spirit: o being with only the Father o so, during that time, being only like the Father, doing only the Father’s will, exhibited only Justice, not love: was only a part of a person.

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To conclude: God’s Spirit is not a thing, he is a person. But, during the crucifixion, he was only part of a person

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CONCLUSION (YET TO BE COMPLETED)

1) During the crucifixion: Father, Son, & Spirit were each only part of a person, they were three parts of one person.

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THREE PERSONS

COMPLETE ACCESS

During Jesus’ three year ministry on Earth: each part of God had complete access to the qualities & abilities of the other two:

The Father was well pleased with his Son’s loving ministry and treated it as his own. Matt c3 v17 Mark c1 v11 Luke c3 v22

The Son gained his security from his Father’s sense of justice. John c5 v31-47

The Father shared the Spirit with the Son. Matt c3 v16 Mark c1 v10 Luke c3 v22 , See earlier section: GOD THE SPIRIT, , , ,

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THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION

By adding item 2) to the above, mostly Jesus’ baptism, scriptures, the earlier conclusion is completed.

1) During the crucifixion: Father, Son, & Spirit were each only part of a person, they were three parts of one person.

2) But at times other than the crucifixion: whatever each part lacks is made up by each part having complete access to the qualities & abilities of the other two. Hence each part: acts as a complete person while remaining only part of a person, functionally becomes a complete person while structurally remaining only part of a person.

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MORE ABOUT THE THREE PERSONS

MY USE OF BIBLE SCRIPTURES

Up until now I’ve used both: crucifixion scriptures , to show how God is one person made of three parts and: non-crucifixion scriptures (e.g. Jesus’ baptism scriptures) , to show how each part , becomes a complete person , because of access to each other.

From now on I’ll use only: non-crucifixion scriptures (e.g. Jesus’ baptism scriptures) , to show how each part , becomes a complete person , because of access to each other.

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HOW THREE PARTS BECOME THREE PERSONS

THREE PARTS

The Father has vast knowledge, Job c38 – c41, hence the Father is the one who makes the decisions. The Son’s knowledge is only drawn from the Father’s vast knowledge. John c7 v16

Add this to what we already know and the picture of God becomes complete.

Three parts of one person.

The Father has justice & knowledge The Son has love The Spirit has power

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HOW THREE PARTS BECOME THREE PERSONS: THE DETAILS

The following non-crucifixion scriptures show how three parts become three complete persons.

The Father has the power of the Spirit: The Father has the love of the Son: and is credited with the loving actions of the Son:

John c15 v26,, John c10 v30,, John c17 v2,,,,,

The Son has the power of the Spirit: The Son has complete access to: the Father’s justice: & the Father’s vast knowledge:

John c1 v32-34, & Matt c12 v15-18, John c5 v30 c2 v13-17, John c7 v16 c4 v1-30,

The Spirit has the love of the Son: and is credited with the loving actions of the Son: The Spirit has complete access to the Father’s justice: & the Father’s vast knowledge:

John c16 v6-7,, Matt c12 v28,, Matt c4 v1-2 Luke c4 v1-2* John c16 v13-15,, *These 2 New Testament examples of God’s Spirit executing justice are weak. (During this, post-4gospels, Church Age, God is only loving.) The Old Testament has stronger examples if you assume that some of the bad things God did, in the Old Testament, he did by his Spirit. See earlier section: SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT THINGS THAT GOD DOES.

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HENCE, EACH PERSON BECOMES COMPLETE …

The Father has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

The Son has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

The Spirit has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

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… BUT THEIR ROLES IN OUR LIVES VARY

The Father has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

The Son has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

The Spirit has: .

Justice, & vast knowledge love omnipotence, omnipresence.

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REPEAT OF THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION

1) During the crucifixion: Father, Son, & Spirit were each only part of a person, they were three parts of one person.

2) But at times other than the crucifixion: whatever each part lacks is made up by each part having complete access to the qualities & abilities of the other two. Hence each part: acts as a complete person while remaining only part of a person, functionally becomes a complete person while structurally remaining only part of a person.

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AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SPIRIT’S EXISTENCE

The phrase: Father & Son & Spirit share one spirit(core). was part of my earlier explanation for the virgin birth. Perhaps see earlier section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH, , , ,

And that same phrase: Father & Son & Spirit share one spirit(core). also supports the previous sections’ arguments: complete access makes three parts of God become three persons. , Perhaps read earlier section: , HOW THREE PARTS BECOME THREE PERSONS, , and its subsections, , down to this point.

And that same phrase: Father & Son & Spirit share one spirit(core). is also an explanation for the Spirit’s existence: The Spirit is the Father, but is the Father: travelling in time, in the First Dimension, then: manifesting, as the Spirit, in this Second Dimension. , , Perhaps see third diagram , , of earlier webpage: Time travel occurs in Heaven. ,,,,, Hence, in this Second Dimension, the Spirit: Has no size or form, is everywhere, all of the time. Can observe & act anywhere, at any time. Whereas, in the First Dimension, the Father: Has size & form, is in one place, at any given time. The Father never leaves Heaven to come here. The Spirit never leaves here to go to Heaven. I know of no Bible verse that contradicts this.

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You may say that the Father did come to earth, to visit Adam & Eve – in the Garden of Eden. But I disregard that instance because this section you’re now reading is technical whereas the Garden of Eden is partly fictional. , , See earlier section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL ADAM & EVE AS REAL, , , ,

Or you may say that, while Jesus was transfigured: Matt c17 v2-9 Mark c9 v2-9 Luke c9 v28-36 Temporarily physically changed, while still mortal, so that he shone like a bright light. my abbreviation the Father spoke to him & the disciples through a temporary, localised, bright, supernatural, cloud (like the Father spoke through a burning bush, in Exo c3 v4). Such instances are as close as the Father gets to coming to Earth. But it’s not him coming to Earth, it’s more like a video link.

Or you may say that God, the Father, spoke to Moses face to face, as you’d speak to a friend. Exo c33 v11,,,,, But God, shortly afterwards, told Moses that no one can see his face and live. Exo c33 v20,,,,, And John later writes that no-one has seen the Father except the Son. John c1 v18,,,,, So, perhaps the writer of Exo c33, Moses himself, was, in his first statement, impressed with being friends with the Father (and so he should be) such that he wrote that they spoke face to face when he should have written that they were like face to face friends. Data from Gotquestions.org / Did Moses see God?. ,,,,,

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IT’S BECAUSE OF US THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS

The Father’s heart is entirely loving. 1 John c4 v16 (& v8): ctd … God is love [i.e. agape love] … ctd KJV , Any kind of human love is less than God’s kind of love: agape love. , I suppose that’s why it’s: God is love, and not: love is God. Left to his own devices: loving is all God would be, God would do only right-&-good.

It’s only because of: us and: angels that became demons that God does right-yet-bad. , Perhaps see earlier section: WHY IS THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS? , and: , perhaps see earlier webpage: The good & bad that God does , and: , perhaps see earlier, long, webpage: The origin of angels & demons. ,

And it’s only because of: us that God became one person yet three persons. , Perhaps see earlier sections: , SON & SPIRIT , and: , WHAT’S WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION? , , .

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IN JESUS, THE FATHER REVEALS HIS HEART TO US

Perhaps see later section: GOD DOES NOT CHANGE BUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH US CHANGES, , , , , , , ,

During this Church Age: God’s relationship with us is: Son loves us Father loves us. But unbelievers see: Son loves us Father Judges us.

If you believe, and so renew your mind accordingly: God’s relationship with us is: Son loves us Father loves us. And you see it as it is: Son loves us Father loves us.

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To conclude: In the Old Testament: The Father did many bad yet right things: , , , , Perhaps see earlier section: PAST BAD-YET-RIGHT. But, in the New Testament: The Father reveals his heart to us in the form of Jesus, and it is a heart of love. John c10 v30 (John c14 v8-11): I and my Father are one. KJV John c5 v19: Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. KJV John c14 v9-11: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. KJV 1 John c4 v16 (& v8): ctd … God is love [i.e. agape love] … ctd KJV , Any kind of human love is less than God’s kind of love: agape love. , I suppose that’s why it’s: God is love, and not: love is God.

The Father always wanted to do only good, like his Son. And, in this Church Age, he does do only good, like his Son. For the Father did not like disciplining the Jews and he will not like Judging us on Judgment Day.

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