Godís identity: the Trinity

SOME DEFINITIONS

GOD THE SPIRIT

††††† 1)Father and Son are always in two places.
††††††††††† Whereas the Spirit is omnipresent & omnipotent.

††††† 2)Father and Son share the Spirit with each other.

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Hence:
††††† 3)
the Spirit of God makes all three persons of God:
††††††††††††††††
omnipresent (eyes & ears everywhere)
†††††††††††††††† omnipotent (Ďhandsí everywhere).

The Father does many things by his Spirit:
††††††††††† Designed & created
††††††††††† the material that formed the universe.
††† Gen c1, ,
††††††††††† Conceived his Son.††† Luke c1 v35, ,

But the Father does not do everything by his Spirit:
††††††††††† An angel killed an enemy army
††††††††††† in the night.
††† 2 Kings c19 v35, ,
††††††††††† Angels will sort us
††††††††††† on Judgment Day.
††† Matt c13 v24-30&v36-43&v47-50, ,

††††††††††† You might suppose, from the above,
††††††††††† that God does the right-&-good tasks
††††††††††† but dumps the right-but-bad tasks onto angels.

††††††††††† However, God does do some bad things:

,††††††††††††††††† See earlier section: SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT THINGS THAT GOD DOES.


††††††††††† Though notice (through the above red link)
††††††††††† that God doesnít do bad things in this Church Age.

††††††††††† So, itís not only: Ďwho does whatí,
††††††††††† itís also: Ďwhen itís doneí.

,††††††††††††††††† See earlier section: THE CHURCH AGE and its two subsections.


,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see fifteenth cell (starting In these New Testament times)
,††††††††††††††††† of earlier section: WHY GODíS WORDS HAVE POWER.

The Spirit has:. . power . . . . . no authority.

Angels
have: . . . . power . . . . . no authority.

The Father has: . . authority . . no power.

The Son has: . . . . authority . . no power.

††††††††††† Authority=Someone giving you, or denying you,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† permission to do it.
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Letting you, or stopping you, do it.

 

†††††††††††††††† Power=You, quite separately,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† possessing the ability to do it.

Hence:

††††† 1)You pray:
†††††††††††††††††††††† You ask, or someone asks you to ask, the Father
†††††††††††††††††††††† to fix a distant problem.
†††††††††††††††††††††† Then the Father tells:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† the Spirit
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† or angels
†††††††††††††††††††††† to fix that problem.

††††† 2)You pray:
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father prompts his Spirit, inside you,
†††††††††††††††††††††† to prompt you
†††††††††††††††††††††† to tell the Father
†††††††††††††††††††††† to fix a distant problem.
†††††††††††††††††††††† Then the Father tells:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† the Spirit
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† or angels
†††††††††††††††††††††† to fix that problem.

††††† 3)You command:
†††††††††††††††††††††† You have authority (Jesusí name & Jesusí promises)
†††††††††††††††††††††† and power (the Spirit).
†††††††††††††††††††††† So, to fix a
problem, up close,
†††††
††††† ††††††††††† you speak to it, in Jesusí name.

†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† See earlier section:
WHY GODíS WORDS HAVE POWER, , , , .

The Father gave authority to Jesus
who then gave that authority to us.†††
Matt c28 v18-20††† John c20 v21-23

Technically Ė it was sharing.
But from the receiverís point of view Ė it was giving:

††††††††††† The Father stepped back to let his Son take centre stage.
††††††††††† Then the Son finished his work and gave us centre stage.

Notice that Jesus gave us authority:
††††††††††† by way of his name
††††††††††† and by way of his promises.
,††††††††††††††††† See: Matt c28 v18-20,,,
,††††††††††††††††† and Elliottís Commentary at the beginning of:BibleHub: Matt c28 v18,,,†††
,††††††††††††††††† and see: John c20 v21-23. ,,,


Then, a little while later, at Pentecost, t
he Father gave us power:
††††††††††† by way of giving us his Spirit.
†††††††††††††† Acts c2 v1-4,,,

†††††
Thus God made us believers
each as complete as the Trinity . .
††††††††††† Col c2 v9-10:
††††††††††† For in him dwelleth
††††††††††† all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
††††††††††† And ye are complete in him,
††††††††††† which is the head of all principality and power
:†† KJV
. . so that
we can command miracles.
Perhaps see later section: CONTINUING THE SONíS WORK. , , , , ,

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InJohn c16 v7Jesus said:
††††††††††† I must go from here, must leave everyone,
††††††††††† to enable me
††††††††††† to give the Spirit to everyone.

But I reckon that, technically speaking, he meant:
††††††††††† I must be crucified in place of everyone (die: hence leave).
††††††††††† This makes everyone holy in my Fatherís eyes.
††††††††††† This enables him to give his Holy Spirit to everyone.

 

 

God gave his Holy Spirit in the Old Testament too:
††††††††††† But only to some people.
††††††††††† And it was only temporary.
††††††††††† And not intimate.

Whereas, after Pentecost:
††††††††††† God gave his Holy Spirit to everyone.
††††††††††† And, in believers, itís permanent.
††††††††††† And intimate.††
John c15†††

 

 

††††††††††† Mind you, even though God gave his Spirit to everyone:

†††††††††††††††††††††† Only those whoíve accepted Jesusí sayings:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† ďforgive all whoíve hurt youĒ,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† ďlove your (personal) enemiesĒ,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† etc,
†††††††††††††††††††††† will accept help to do them,
†††††††††††††††††††††† namely from Godís Spirit.


†††††††††††††††††††††† Only those whoíve accepted the Son
†††††††††††††††††††††† also accept the Spirit.

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Spirit makes no sense to unbelievers.

††††††††††† †††††
††††† John c14 v16-17:
†††††††††††††††††††††† And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
†††††††††††††††††††††† another Comforter,
†††††††††††††††††††††† that he may abide with you for ever;
††††††††††††††††
††††† even the Spirit of truth;
†††††††††††††††††††††† whom the world cannot receive,
††††††††††††††††
††††† because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
††††††††††††††††
††††† but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and shall be in you.
†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps read the whole of John c14., , , , .

 

 

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GODíS SPIRIT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE),
AND
WHY GODíS SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS)
ARE BOTH WISPY.

 

 

Technically speaking:

††††††††††† Godís Spirit is dynamic.

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† John c3 v8:
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† The wind bloweth where it listeth,
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† and thou hearest the sound thereof,
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† so is every one that is born of the Spirit.†† KJV


††††††††††† But a human spirit(core) is a structure.

††††††††††† So, Godís Spirit and a human spirit(core)
†††††††††††
are structurally incompatible with each other.

††††††††††† So their relationship is not:
†††††††††††††††††††††† one-blending-with-the-other
††††††††††† but:
†††††††††††††††††††††† dynamic-affecting-static.

††††††††††† So Godís Spirit sets
up home
††††††††††† in every
believerís spirit(core)
††††††††††† (and soul Ė if theyíve renewed their mind):
††††† ††††††††††††††††
without blending,
†††††††††††††††††††††† without becoming one with him/her,
†††††††††††††††††††††† without becoming one structure.

 

 

As I wrote above, Godís Spirit is dynamic.
Hence, to us, he is wispy, ghosty, insubstantial.

A
human spirit(ghost) is a structure.
But, itís a structure thatís not readily detected by the living.

Hence, to us, a human spirit(ghost),
is also wispy ghosty, insubstantial.

 

 

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To see the difference between spirit(core) and spirit(ghost)
see earlier webpage:
The two meanings of the word Ďspirití.,,,,,,,

 

 

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USES OF THE WORD ĎGODí

 

 

About two-thousand years ago,
God, miraculously, had a Son, Jesus,
by a young Jewish woman named Mary.

This changed Godís title from:
††††††††††† God
††††† to:
††††††††††† God the Father.

Jesus is such an extreme cross breed
(like crossing a rabbit with a car)
that he is not:
††††† ††††† half God,half human,
but:
††††††††††† all God,all human.

 

 

Hence there are seven possible meanings of the word ĎGodí:

††††††††††† 1)Father
††††††††††† 2)Son
††††††††††† 3)Spirit
††††††††††† 4)Father & Son
††††††††††† 5)Father & Spirit
††††††††††† 6)Son & Spirit
††††††††††† 7)Father & Son & Spirit

1) 2) 3) & 7) are commonly used.
4) 5) & 6) are rarely, if ever, used.

 

 

Mary is the mother of 2).
But not of 1) or 3).

Nor therefore of 4) 5) 6) or 7).

 

 

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GOD THE SON

 

 

Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG.


Old Testament miracles were each:
††††††††††† 1)right-&-good
or††††††† 2)right-&-bad
or††††††† 3)both, in one scenario.

But all of Jesusí miracles were:
††††††††††† 1)right-&-good

††††††††††† with one minor exception:
††††††††††† when he miraculously trashed a fig tree.
,††††††††††††††††† Note: a tree, a thing not a person.


†††††††††††††††††††††† I reckon Jesus cursed a fig tree
†††††††††††††††††††††† because it was like the Ďreligiousí leaders
†††††††††††††††††††††† that he knew he was about to meet.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c21 v19-20†††† Mark c11 v12-14&†† v20

†††††††††††††††† ††††† It was all leaves.They were all show.
†††††††††††††††††††††† It had no fruit.They had nothing good to offer.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c21 v21 Ė c23 v36†††† Mark c11 v27 Ė c12 v40 , , .

††††††††††† Likewise, all believersí miracles, in Acts,
††††††††††† were right-&-good
††††††††††† with only a few minor exceptions.

 

 

Jesus needed the Spirit so as to have power so as to do miracles
(just like Old Testament people needed the Spirit to do miracles).

††††††††††† So, when Jesus was 30 years old,
††††††††††† the Father simply gave him the Spirit.
†††††††††††
Matt c3 v16-17†††† Mark c1 v10-11,,,,,
†††††††††††
Luke c3 v21-22†††† John c1 v32-34,,,,,

††††††††††† Later on, Jesusí crucifixion would earn us the Spirit
††††††††††† so that we too could do miracles (in Jesusí name of course).

 

 

As for our future relationship with the Spirit:

††††††††††† Sometimes the Bible says we go to Heaven.

††††††††††† But sometimes the Bible says we go to a New Earth.
†††††††††††
Isa c65 v17††† Isa c66 v22††† 2 Pet c3 v13††† Rev c21 v1,,,

††††††††††† I reckon that we go to a New Earth
††††††††††† and that itís in some sort of sub-dimension
††††††††††† of the First Dimension.

,,††††††† ,,††††††† Perhaps see earlier section: FIRST COMPLAINT.


††††††††††† That way everyone there has the Spirit permanently.

†††††††††††
Matt c28 v20††† John c14 v18††† Heb c13 v5
,,††††††† ,,††††††† Also see bottom pair of cells (starting Any being)
,,††††††† ,,††††††† of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS.


††††††††††† For, if we went to Heaven, the First Dimension, instead
††††††††††† the Spirit there would be the Father.
,,††††††† ,,††††††† The third cell (starting And that same phrase)
,,††††††† ,,††††††† of later section: AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SPIRITíS EXISTENCE
,,††††††† ,,††††††† explains how this works.

 

 

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Godís Spirit went into Jesus
then immediately led him into the wilderness
where he stayed for forty days:
Matt c3 v13 Ė c4 v11†††††† Mark c1 v9-13†††††† Luke c3 v21-23& c4 v1-13

While there, Godís Spirit prompted him to:

†††††††††††
o††† Fast (eat no food, drink only water).

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Jesus was fully God, but also fully human.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Thatís why he needed to fast for so long.

 

††††††††††† o††† Be tempted by Satan
†††††††††††††††† so that he could say ďNoĒ to Satan.

†††††††††††
o††† And, I reckon, pray to God his Father,
†††††††††††††††† both talking and hearing.

 

 

Or, to put it another way:
I reckon Jesus prayed & fasted for forty days
to
finish off renewing his mind:

††††††††††† o††† End the earthliness of his life
††††††††††††††††
with its earthly priorities:

†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† His beliefs:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† ever copied, by his
spirit(core),
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† from his
spirit(core), to his mind,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† now overriding earthly expectations.

††††† ††††† o††† Be alone, away from the world:
††††† †††††††††††††††††††††† So that he could hear, clearly,
††††† †††††††††††††††††††††† not only Satan, but also his Father.

†††††
††††† o††† Be alone, away from the world:
††††††††††††††††
††††† ††††† So that Satan could not speak to him
†††††
†††††††††††††††††††††† through family & friends.
,†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Like Satan later spoke to him
,†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† through Peter.Matt c16 v16-23†† Mark c8 v33 .


†††††††††††
o††† Etc.

 

 

Jesus is one with, and is the image of,
his Father. ††
John c10 v30†††† Heb c1 v3


So Jesus had always had
a telepathic connection with his Father,
and a nearly renewed mind.††
Luke c2 v39-52

††††† Hence, any Old Testament scripture that Jesus hadnít read,
††††† the Father, via the Spirit, wouldíve told him about.

††††† And, any OT scripture the Father thought needed perfecting,
††††† the Father, via the Spirit, wouldíve also told him about:

,†††††††† E.G. Old Testament,††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† New Testament
,†††††††† Deut c24 v1-4††† Gen c2 v19-25,†††† ,†††††††† Matt c19 v3-12††† Mark c10 v2-12


So, unlike our minds, Jesusí mind was nearly renewed
even before he had the Spirit.

In this, Jesus had a head start over us.

Perhaps see later section: WHAT IS A RENEWED MIND? , , .

 

 

Satan tempted Jesus for the whole forty days†† Luke c4 v2a,,,,,
(though, presumably, in an intermittent way).

††††††††††† Near the end of fasting & praying,
††††††††††† when Jesus was starving,
††††††††††† Satan tempted him with:
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c4 v1-11††† Luke c4 v1-13:
†††††††††††††††††††††† ďCreate some food, do good to yourself.
†††††††††††††††† ††††† You donít need the Father
†††††††††††††††††††††† (decrease your relationship with him).
†††††††††††††††† ††††† Act from only the flesh,
†††††††††††††††† ††††† not from the
spirit(core)†† my abbreviation
††††††††††† Implyingthat the Father is mean spirited, not loving.
††††† ††††† (when in fact, afterwards,
††††††††††† the Father sent angels, with food, to Jesus).

Other than this fast, Jesus practiced the opposite of fasting.
E.G. He ate just before his trials in the garden of Gethsemane.
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c26††† Mark c14,,,,,

 

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Then, at age 30,
after he had fasted for 40 days & nights in the wilderness,
Jesus had a three year ministry, in which he:
††††† a)†† Healed individuals.
††††† b)Forgave, as God the Son,
†††††††††††††††††††††† some people,
†††††††††††††††††††††† each individually,
†††††††††††††††††††††† of all their sins.†††
Mark c2 v5††
,†††††††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† Notice 1) in next paragraph.

††††† c)†† Revealed the:
†††††††††††††††††††††† self-love, and hatred of God,
†††††††††††††††††††††† of some who were in charge of
†††††††††††††††††††††† administering Godís laws.
Matt c23
††††† d)Preached that:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Godís laws had revealed Godís justice.
†††††††††††††††††††††† But, now, God was revealing his mercy.†††
Luke c15
††††† e)†† Taught his twelve disciples:
†††††††††††††††††††††† to heal
†††††††††††††††††††††† and to preach that God is revealing his mercy.
††††† f)†† And much more.

Then, when Jesus was 33 years old,
in chronological order:
††††† 1)He allowed himself to be Punished
†††††††††††††††††††††† in place of all of us
†††††††††††††††††††††† as the Fatherís Forgiveness of everyone.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Notice b) in previous paragraph.

††††† 2)Jesusí spirit(ghost) went to paradise
††††††††††† for three days††
Luke c23 v43
††††††††††† while his body stayed in the tomb.
,†††††††† ,†††††††† Perhaps see:
,†††††††† ,†††††††† Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?.
††††† 3)After those three days: Jesus rose from the dead;
††††††††††† not as a spirit(ghost), but as substantial,
,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see: Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday.
††††††††††† and, for forty days, visited his friends & disciples.
††††† 4)One such visit included him telling his disciples
††††††††††† to wait, in Jerusalem, for Godís Spirit.
††††† 5)Then he went to Heaven, to sit, enthroned,
††††††††††† at the right of his Father:
††††††††††† his hardest work done, the baton handed over to us.

 

 

††††††††††† Regarding:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Ďthe baton handed over to usí
††††††††††† and:
††††††††††††††††††††††
John c5 v19:
†††††††††††††††††††††† ctd ÖThe Son can do nothing of himself,
†††††††††††††††††††††† but what he seeth the Father do:
†††††††††††††††††††††† for what things soever he doeth,
†††††††††††††††††††††† these also doeth the Son likewise
.†† KJV
††††††††††† Andrew Wommack makes an important comparison
††††††††††† between Jesus and us:

††††††††††† ††††††††††† Andrew Wommack's Free Online Commentary
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Note 4 on John 5:19
.
†††††††††††
††††† ††††† (You may also want Andrewís commentary
†††††††††††††††††††††† on:
John c10 v30&John c15 v5.) , , ,

 

 

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So, Jesus now sits enthroned, in Heaven,
next to his enthroned Father.

That doesnít mean heís trapped there.
He is free to move:
††††††††††† In space & time in Heaven, the First Dimension.
††††††††††† And to, & in, this Second Dimension.
He is a king who is able to move away from his throne.

So, if he wants to see, or even be part of, healings etc,
thereís nothing stopping him.
After all, he paid for it, so itís only logical
that he would want to enjoy what heís paid for.

Heíd be visible to all, or some, or none, as he wants:
††††††††††† He could appear, at different places on the planet,
††††††††††† all at the same time,
††††††††††† because he can travel in time in Heaven.

,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier webpage:
,††††††††††††††††† There is time in Heaven††

,††††††††††††††††† and earlier section:
,††††††††††††††††† HOW JESUS EXISTED BEFORE HE WAS BORN. , , , ,

 

 

Time travel in Heaven means that:

††††††††††† The Father in Heaven
††††††††††† is
††††††††††† the Spirit here, everywhere, all the time,

††††††††††† The resurrected Jesus, in Heaven,
††††††††††† can be
††††††††††† here, with whoever, whenever.

 

 

Jesus appears here because:

††††††††††† He loves us, so he encourages us,
††††††††††††††††††††††
Luke c24 v13-53:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Encouragement on the road to Emmaus.my abbn

††††††††††† especially in our times of difficulty.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Acts c7 v51-60:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Encouragement while being martyred.†† my abbn

,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps also see:
,††††††††††††††††† YouTube: Ė NZ highlights:

†††††††††††††††††† CATHOLICS encounter JESUS' POWER,

†††††††††††††††††† joy, miracles, healing, deliverance, message,
,††††††††††††††††† at:†† 57m 35s†† to:†† 59m 20s.

 

 

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WHY WAS JESUS EXECUTED?

 

 

Not all the Pharisees wanted Jesus dead.
At least Nicodemus wanted to hear what Jesus had to say.
John c3 v1-21†††† John c7 v50-52†††† John c19 v39†††† (Acts c5 v34-42).


But most Pharisees wanted him dead
or the leading Pharisees wanted him dead
or both.

And a fair portion of the public must have wanted Jesus dead
for the Pharisees to achieve what they did.
Matt c27 v15-26††† Mark c15 v6-15,,,,,
Luke c23 v13-25††† John c18 v29 Ė c19 v16,,,,,

 

 

Perhaps those particular Pharisees were wicked.
Perhaps see later section: JESUSí USE OF THE WORDS ĎRIGHTEOUSí AND ĎWICKEDí.,,,,,


Perhaps they were righteous
but practicing guilt projection
Perhaps see later section: GUILT PROJECTION.,,,,,

in which case theyíd have been encouraged by demons:

††††† The demons would have encouraged the Pharisees
††††† to have Jesus killed
††††† by telepathically reminding them, repeatedly,
††††† of two of Godís commandments to all Jews:

††††††††††† 1)I am one God, not many gods.
††††† ††††† ††††† Deut c6 v4†††† Mark c12 v29†††† Gal c3 v20.

††††††††††† 2)So worship only me, not the many pagan gods††
†††††††††††††††† that the nations around you worship.
†††††
††††† ††††† Exo c20 v3††† Exo c34 v14††† Deut c5 v7.
†††††
††††† ††††† Deut c6 v13-14††† Deut c8 v19††† Deut c11 v16-17.
†††††
††††† ††††† Deut c17 v2-5††† Matt c4 v10††† Luke c4 v8.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Those pagan gods were only idols.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Mind you, they were demon-backed idols,
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† so they were potent, though not as potent as God.

 

 

††††† God gave these two commandments to the Jews
††††† because of their atrocious propensity
,†††††††† (atrocious Ė considering Godís past miracles in their favour)

††††† for worshipping idols:

††††††††††††††††
Exo c31 v18 Ė c32 v16


††††††††††† †††††
Bible Odyssey: The Worship of the Golden Calf
††††††††††††††††††††† by Baruch J. Schwartz


††††††††††† †††††
Wikipedia: Thou shalt have no other gods before me


††††††††††† †††††
Bible Odyssey: The Ten Commandments (Exod 20)
††††††††††††††††††††† by William P. Brown
, , , ,

 

 

††††† Hence demons telepathically repeatedly said,
††††† to righteous Pharisees, about God:

,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† 1)I am one God, not many gods. ,, (true)

,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† 2)Worship only me. ,,††††† ,,††††† ,,††††† ,,††††† (a right command)

,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† 3)Hence Jesus is not Godís Son. ,, (illogical)


††††† Wicked Pharisees would have thought this anyway.

 

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Jesus usually called himself ďthe Son of manĒ
and, less frequently: ďthe Son of God.

††††††††††† These two phrases each mean
††††††††††† virtually the opposite
††††††††††† of what most people (including most Christians)
††††††††††† think they mean:

††††††††††† Watch R. C. Sproul explain.
(4 minute video)
†††††††††††
YouTube: Ė The Difference Between
†††††††††††††† "Son of God" and "Son of Man"
,,,

††††††††††† and youíll see that, by calling himself:
†††††††††††††††††††††† the Son of man
†††††††††††††††††††††† and certain other phrases
*,
††††††††††† Jesus was actually calling himself:
†††††††††††††††††††††† the Son of God.

††††††††††† Indeed, itís because
†††††††††††††††††††††† calling himself the Son of God,
†††††††††††††††††††††† in this way,
†††††††††††††††††††††† was so clear,
††††††††††† that the religious leaders
††††††††††† promptly executed him for blasphemy.
†††††††††††
Mark c14 v55-65, note v62†††† Matt c26 v59-68, note v64

 

 

††††† ††††† The *certain other phrases
††††††††††† that Jesus called himself were:
††††††††††††††††
o††† I am.Exo c3 v14,,,
†††††††††††††††††††††† (this is the name God gave to himself).
††††††††††††††††
o††† I will sit at Godís right hand.Luke c22 v69†† Psalm 110 v1,
††††††††††††††††
o††† I will return, on the clouds, in the sky.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Mark c13 v26†† Daniel c7 v9-14,,,
††††††††††††††††
o††† No man has ascended to Heaven
†††††††††††††††††††††† except the one
†††††††††††††††††††††† who came down from Heaven.
John c3 v1-21,,,
††††††††††††††††
o††† I am the Lord of the sabbath.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c12 v1-29 note v8†† &†† Mark c2(& Luke c6 v1-11).


†††††††††††††††††††††† Even there, & then,
†††††††††††††††††††††† the public werenít that familiar with scripture.
†††††††††††††††††††††† Hence it was only the religious leaders
†††††††††††††††††††††† who saw the weight of what Jesus was saying.

 

 

.

 

 

Jesusí miracles & compassion
made it obvious, to the righteous,
that he was Godís Son.

Yet Jesus often told them
to not share their thoughts with others.
Why?

††††† I reckon:

††††††††††† Partly so that he remained free of crowds
††††††††††† so that he couldminister to people.
Mark c1 v39-45,,,

††††††††††† But mainly so that as little news as possible, of his divinity,
††††††††††† reached the religious leaders.

††††††††††† For Jesus did not want his ministry
††††††††††† to be cut short by his crucifixion.
††††††††††† He first needed to teach his followers:
†††††††††††††††††††††† how to do what he did
†††††††††††††††††††††† and much more.

 

 

.

 

 

Realise that God,
using what Jesus did & didnít say,
was even co-ordinating demonic activity!

†††††
††††† Just before Satan spoke through Peter
††††††††††† Jesus had been speaking about
††††††††††† his coming crucifixion and resurrection.
††††††††††† Matt c16 v21-23††† Mark c8 v31-33,,

†††††††††††††††††††††† Thatís what made Satan say, through Peter:
†††††††††††††††††††††† ďJesus: donít be crucified.Ē

††††††††††† But later, nearer the time of the crucifixion,
††††††††††† Satan was swayed
††††††††††† by the disciplesí lack of expectancy of a resurrection.

†††††††††††††††††††††† Hence Satan had a change of mind,
†††††††††††††††††††††† helped cause the crucifixion.

††††††††††††††††††††††
John c13 c27-30†† &c18 v1-5:
††††††††††† ††††††††††† Satan entered Judas
††††††††††† ††††††††††† to encourage him to betray Jesus.†† my abbreviation

,††††††††††††††††† Andrew Wommack says, I reckon rightly, that God is like a master chess player.

 

 

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All of the above (all of this section)
is because Jesus:

††††††††††† Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed,
††††††††††† for being:
†††††††††††††††††††††† the Son of God
†††††††††††††††††††††† and king of the Jews.
Matt c27 v37††† Mark c15 v26
,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† ,,††††††† †† Luke c23 v38††† John c19 v1-22,,,

††††††††††† Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed:
†††††††††††††††††††††† merely for telling the truth,
†††††††††††††††††††††† for no good legal reason.

††††††††††† Wanted to be innocent
††††††††††† yet legitimately executed.

††††††††††† For Jesus and his Father had a shared understanding
††††††††††† that, in his Fatherís eyes, Jesus would take our place.
,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see later section: THE THREE POINTS OF VIEW, , .

 

 

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THE VIRGIN BIRTH

 

 

Words are important to God
for the same reason they are important to us:
††††††††††† for specifying
††††††††††† things/intentions/actions/etc.
,†††††††† ,†††††††† Perhaps see earlier section:
,†††††††† ,†††††††† ANIMALS WITH LARGE BRAINS.


Hence:

†††††
o††† God, throughout the Old Testament, communicated to us
††††††††††† using actions and words.

†††††
o††† One of Jesusí names is:
†††††††††††††††† the Word
[i.e. Godís words] made flesh.††† John c1 v1-14

†††††
o††† God commanded the material of the universe
††††††††††† into existence
††††††††††† using words.
††† Heb c11 v3††† Gen c1†††

††††††††††† Therefore God commanded
††††††††††† the material that Jesus was initially made of
††††††††††† into existence
††††††††††† using words.

 

 

Jesus was conceived, and grew up,
made entirely of
the material of the universe: material God had designed & made.

The Father must have also designed & made
the DNA that he used to conceive Jesus:
††††††††††† For the Father is structured differently from us
††††††††††† and is made of different materials from us.
††††††††††† So he could not supply the DNA pattern
††††††††††† from his own body.

So, Jesus was made, not begotten.

So how could Jesus be begotten, not made?

For:

††††† Creating means: ††† Creating materials outside of yourself.

††††† Making means:†† ††† Manipulating materials outside of yourself.

††††† Begetting means:††† Giving a bit of yourself
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† ††† thus also duplicating the pattern of yourself.

 

 

Answer:

Our human form is shaped by:
†††††††††††
o††† Gravity pulling us down onto a flat surface.
†††††††††††
o††† Our need for: locomotion, respiration, digestion,
†††††††††††††††† reproduction, sexual attraction.
†††††††††††
o††† Our need for: fingers (& therefore arms),
†††††††††††††††† forward vision, hearing, & perhaps smell.
†††††††††††
o††† The effect our eternal nature has on our bodies
†††††††††††††††† (e.g. grunts becoming words).
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see fourth cell (starting: I reckon the real Adam(s))
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† to the end, of earlier section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL ADAM & EVE AS REAL.

††††††††††† o††† Etc.

Does the Father possess, & so exhibit,
our range of genetic qualities?No.
He even consists of different materials from us.

††††††††††† So, the Father used materials of the universe
††††††††††† (or made some fresh)
††††††††††† to make the DNA
††††††††††† that he used to beget Jesus.

††††††††††† And, more importantly,
††††††††††† he designed the DNA that he provided.

††††††††††† This is not the Father begetting:
†††††††††††††††††††††† contributing a bit of himself.
††††††††††† This is the Father making:
†††††††††††††††††††††† manipulating materials outside of himself.

 

 

However, I reckon that our meaning of begetting
is primitive compared to Godís meaning of begetting:

††††††††††† When we beget
††††††††††† there is no guarantee that the child will be like the parents
††††††††††† regarding the spirit(core).

†††††††††††††††††††††† Regarding the soul and body.Yes.

†††††††††††††††††††††† Regarding the spirit(core).No.


,††††††††††††††††† ,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see later webpage:
,††††††††††††††††† ,††††††††††††††††† The spirit & the soul, , , , , ,

 

 

††††††††††† But, when the Father begat Jesus,Luke c1 v26-38,†††
††††††††††† the only thing the Father could give Mary
††††††††††† that was of himself
††††††††††† was himself.

††††††††††† Godís will goes into anyone he begets:

†††††††††††††††††††††† John c10 v30††† (John c14 v8-11):
†††††††††††††††††††††† I and
my Father are one.†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† John c5 v19:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Verily, verily, I say unto you,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† The Son can do nothing of himself,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† but what he seeth the Father do:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† for what things soever he doeth,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† these also doeth the Son likewise
.†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† John c14 v9-11:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Jesus saith unto him,
†††††††††††††††††††††† Have I been so long time with you,
††††††††††† ††††††††††† and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
†††††††††††††††††††††† he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
†††††††††††††††††††††† and how sayest thou
then,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Shew us the Father?
††††††††††††††††††††††
Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and the Father in me?
†††††††††††††††††††††† the words that I speak unto you
†††††††††††††††††††††† I speak not of myself:
†††††††††††††††††††††† but the Father that dwelleth in me,
†††††††††††††††††††††† he doeth the works.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Believe me that I
am in the Father,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and the Father in me:
†††††††††††††††††††††† or else believe me for the very works' sake
.†† KJV

 

 

††††††††††† Father & Son & Spirit:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Share one spirit(core).
†††††††††††††††††††††† But have different roles
†††††††††††††††††††††† so they have similar, but separate, souls.

††††††††††† Jesus, being human, had a spirit(ghost).
†††††††††††††††††††††† He was dead for a short while
†††††††††††††††††††††† during which time he was a spirit(ghost).
††††† ††††† ††††††††††† Luke c23 v32-43 Notably v43††2 Cor c12 v1-4††


††††††††††† Father & Son:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Have separate bodies.

††††††††††† The Spirit:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Has no body, is dynamic.

 

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier section:
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† GODíS SPIRIT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE),
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† AND WHY GODíS SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS) ARE BOTH WISPY
.

 

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To conclude: this section is an explanation of how:

††††† ††††† A)Jesus is begotten:
†††††††††††††††† ††††† Luke c1 v35
†††††††††††††††††††††† And the angel answered and said unto her,
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
†††††††††††††††††††††† therefore also
†††††††††††††††††††††† that holy thing which shall be born of thee
†††††††††††††††††††††† shall be called the Son of God
.†† KJV
yet:

††††† ††††† B)Jesus is also made of the Fatherís words:
†††††††††††††††† ††††† John c1 v14:
†††††††††††††††† ††††† And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
†††††††††††††††††††††† (and we beheld his glory,
†††††††††††††††††††††† the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
†††††††††††††††††††††† full of grace and truth
.†† KJV

 

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RESURRECTION: JESUSí & OURS.

 

 

A believer:
†††††† 1)††† Starts as a substantial, temporary, body.
†††††† 2)††† Then is an insubstantial, spirit(ghost), who sleeps in death.
†††††† 3)††† Then is a substantial body again, but this time eternal.

Jesus likewise:
†††††† 1)††† Starts as a substantial, temporary, body.
†††††† 2)††† Then is an insubstantial, spirit(ghost), who went to Paradise.
†††††† 3)††† Then is a substantial body again, but this time, eternal.

 

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Many people:
††††††††††† want to be buried, not cremated,
††††††††††† want to still be Ďall thereí,
††††††††††† because they think that God can only work with
††††††††††† their original body, however much itís decayed.

But, in fact:
††††††††††† God uses their spirit(ghost), not their fleshly body,
††††††††††† as the pattern for their eternal body.
††††††††††† Transforms their spirit(ghost) into an eternal body.

,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier section:
,††††††††††††††††† SPIRIT: AN APPARENT DUPLICATION
†††††††††††††††††† OF THE WHOLE PERSON

,††††††††††††††††† and the section after it.

 

 

††††††††††† One reason God does not use a believerís fleshly body
††††††††††† is that he would have to make so many adjustments
††††††††††† due to decay.

††††††††††† Itís simpler to use their spirit(ghost) as the pattern
††††††††††† (then de-age it, or age it if it were a child).

††††††††††† Hence, even if someone died
††††††††††† one minute before Judgment Day:
†††††††††††††††††††††† so that they were resurrected one minute after dying,
†††††††††††††††††††††† were a spirit(ghost) for only one minute,
††††††††††† God would still use their spirit(ghost) as their pattern
††††††††††† and not their fleshly body.

 

 

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We will each end up
having had two bodies:
††††††††††† 1.†† An old, temporary, fleshly, body.
††††††††††† 2.†† A new, eternal, body.

Whereas Jesus ended up
having had only one body:
††††††††††† 1.†† One body, which, when resurrected, became eternal.
†††††††††††††††† Yet which, when eternal,
†††††††††††††††† still showed the un-healed wounds
†††††††††††††††† of his crucifixion.
John c20

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† One gospel has Jesus letting, both Mary Magdalene & the other Mary,
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† hold his feet.††† Matt c28 v9

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† But another gospel has Jesus:
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† telling Mary Magdalene not to hold him, i.e. not embrace him,
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† yet telling Thomas to thrust his hand into his side.††† John c20

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† I assume this was because Jesus thought that Mary Magdalene
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† would be unnecessarily disconcerted
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† at embracing him and finding a hole in his side.

 

 

Jesus did have a spirit(ghost):
††††††††††† He was dead for a short while
††††††††††† during which time he was a spirit(ghost).
††††††††††† Luke c23 v32-43 Notably v43††2 Cor c12 v1-4††


So I reckon God used:

††††††††††† Jesusí spirit(ghost)
†††††††††††††††††††††† as the pattern for his new, eternal, body.

††††††††††† But Jesusí old, fleshly, body
†††††††††††††††††††††† as the material for his new, eternal, body
†††††††††††††††††††††† (though transforming the material
†††††††††††††††††††††† to make it eternal).

†††††††††††††††††††††† I reckon God did this
†††††††††††††††††††††† in order to make it clear, to his disciples,
†††††††††††††††††††††† that the resurrection was not a con.

†††††††††††††††††††††† If Jesus had had two bodies, as we do:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† his old, dead, body
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† still in one place,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† his new, eternal, body
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† now appearing in another place,
†††††††††††††††††††††† then it could have looked like a con:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† twins, or a look-alike,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† one dead, one alive.

†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† It would not have been that clear
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† that there was only one person involved.

 

 

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THE WORDS THAT THE FATHER CONTRIBUTED
FOR THE CONCEPTION OF JESUS.

 

 

Regarding the section before last,
about Jesus being both:
††††††††††† begotten
††††††††††† and
††††††††††† made of the Fatherís words:

††††††††††† Andrew Wommack says that all the words spoken:
†††††††††††††††††††††† prophetically, about Jesus, in the Old Testament,
†††††††††††††††††††††† by the Father, through people,
††††††††††† were words that God later used
††††††††††† to conceive Jesus.

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† See: ††††††† Day 2, Session 3: Andrew Wommack,
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† The Believer's Authority
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Published on Mar 5, 2009
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,††††††††††††††††† †††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† at:9,14,16,28,&32,minutes.

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† and: †††††††† Lessons From the Christmas Story for Every Season
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Published on: Sep 18, 2010E
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,†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† at27minutes.

 

 

††††††††††† I agree with Andrew.
,†††††††† ,†††††††† Indeed, I reckon that there might not have been enough of those words,
,†††††††† ,†††††††† that God had to speak more words.


††††††††††† But I reckon Andrew should not:
†††††††††††††††††††††† forget
A) Jesus is begotten
†††††††††††
†††††† ††††† but:
†††††††††††††††††††††† remember
B) Jesus is also made of the Fatherís words,
†††††††††††
†††††† ††††† then:
†††††††††††††††††††††† rephrase
B) as ďJesus was createdĒ.

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps listen again to the links in the previous cell.

 

 

I reckon:

††††††††††† We were . . made . . . . . not begotten.

††††††††††† Jesus was . . begotten . . not made or created.

††††††††††† We
originated in this Second Dimension
††††††††††† and
are made of the material of the universe.

††††††††††† Jesus, too, originated in this Second Dimension
††††††††††† and
is made of the material of the universe.

††††††††††† But, unlike us:

††††††††††††††††
o††† Jesus is one with the Father:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† the Son, & the Father, & the Spirit,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† all share the same spirit(core).

††††††††††††††††
o††† Jesus is made of the Fatherís words.

 

 

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Perhaps see a related disagreement
that I have with Andrew
in earlier section:
CREATING MATTER, BUT MAKING HUMANS.

But all credit to Andrew for tackling these subjects.
Iíve seen no one else try.

As I wrote in earlier section:
INTRODUCTION:
So strongly do I approve of the rest of Andrewís teaching
that I have zero passion for disagreeing with him.

 

 

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JESUSí MINISTRY

 

 

Jesus is such an extreme cross breed
(like crossing a rabbit with a car)
that he is not:
††††† ††††† half God,half human,
but:
††††† ††††† all God,all human.

 

 

In chronological order, Jesus was:

1)all God . . . . so he would want to . . . . . . do 2) 3) 4) & 5)

2)all God . . . . so he would live . . . . . . . . . . a sinless life

3)all human . . so him living a sinless life . . would make 4) work

4)all human . . so he could . . . . . . . . . . . . . . die in our place

5)all God . . . . so he. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wouldnít stay dead.

 

 

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QUALITY
NOT QUANTITY

 

 

Jesusí suffering worked:

††††††††††† not because he suffered more than anyone else
,††††††††††††††††† many people have suffered more than Jesus did, and for longer,

††††††††††† nor because he was innocent
,††††††††††††††††† babies, or very mentally retarded adults, are also innocent
,††††††††††††††††† but their suffering could never achieve what Jesusí suffering achieved

††††††††††† nor because he chose to suffer for humanity
,††††††††††††††††† there are many (war) heroes who saw their impending deaths as for humanity.

 

 

Jesusí suffering worked:

††††††††††† because he was innocent

††††††††††† & because he chose to suffer for all of us

††††††††††† & because he suffered brutally
and:
††††††††††† because he was, & is,
††††††††††† the only begotten Son of God.

 

 

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WHY IS GOD MALE?

 

 

The universe is Godís breeding ground for beings:
††††††††††† eternal creatures,
††††††††††† a bit like himself
††††††††††† (i.e. humans & aliens).

,†††††††† ,†††††††† Perhaps see first row of cells
,†††††††† ,†††††††† of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS††
,†††††††† ,†††††††† and first cell
,†††††††† ,†††††††† of later section: OVERVIEW.


Unlike reproduction of animals,
reproduction of beings should be thought of
as one, big, structure.
See earlier section:
THIS INCLUDES ALL DESCENDENTS, , .

 

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For most creatures,
genetically improving design, over time,
requires two biological genders: male & female.
Perhaps see earlier section: EVOLUTION OF PLANTS & ANIMALS.


††††††††††† That the female human:
†††††††††††††††††††††† gets pregnant
†††††††††††††††††††††† and does the early child rearing,
††††††††††† means that, at least historically,
††††††††††† females are more domestic,
††††††††††† need sustaining & defending, etc.

††††††††††† Hence, certainly historically, males tend to lead.

††††††††††† This is why God is thought of as male Ė because he leads.

 

Also, if God had been the mother of Jesus,
with Joseph discretely robbed of semen:

††††††††††† Then Jesus would have been born in Heaven
††††††††††† then raised, at least for a while, in Heaven.

††††††††††† Then, at the age of five or twelve or whatever,
††††††††††† been delivered to his father & stepmother on Earth.

Amongst other things
that would have been conspicuous,
not in keeping with Godís tendency to hide.
Perhaps see earlier section: WHATíS WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION?, , .

 

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THE THREE PERSONS OF GOD

 

 

THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER

 

 

Some Christians say:

††††††††††† 1)ďJesus and the Father are alike
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† See fifth cell (starting: But, when the Father begat Jesus)
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††† of earlier section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH.

 

††††††††††† 2)not some of the time
†††††††††††††††† but all of the time.Ē

 

 

I agree with 1).
But I disagree with 2):

††††††††††† ďDuring the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† Father and Son were not alike:

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Son was on the Cross,
†††††††††††††††††††††† did not preside over the situation.
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father was not on the Cross,
†††††††††††††††††††††† did preside over the situation.

†††††††††††††††††††††† Each was
†††††††††††††††††††††† where the other was not.

 

 

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Son had all of Godís love towards us.
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father had all of Godís justice towards us.

†††††††††††††††††††††† Their roles were opposite.Ē

 

 

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BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THE ABOVE

 

 

During the crucifixion:
††††††††††† The Son had all of Godís love towards us.
††††††††††† The Father had all of Godís justice towards us.

 

 

††††††††††† The Father had no love towards us:
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
Luke c23 v44-45:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† God even stopped the sun shining.†† my abbn

††††††††††† The Father had no love for the Son:
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c27 v46††† Mark c15 v34:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† God forsook the Son.†† my abbreviation

††††††††††† The Father had all of Godís justice towards us.

 

 

††††††††††† The Son made no complaints of injustice.

††††††††††††††††††††††
Luke c23 v34:
††††† †††††††††††††††† Then said Jesus,
††††† †††††††††††††††††††††† Father, forgive them;
††††† †††††††††††††††††††††† for they know not what they do Ö ctd†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† This shows that, during the crucifixion,
†††††††††††††††††††††† the Son was different from the Father:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Jesus had already forgiven them.
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Now he was asking his Father to do likewise,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† showing that his Father would otherwise
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† have not done so.

††††††††††† The Son had all of Godís love towards us.

 

 

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THE THREE POINTS OF VIEW

 

 

Unbelievers see only nails holding Jesus to a cross.

 

 

Demons likewise saw only nails holding Jesus to a cross.

Why?

††††††††††† Because
the things that build demonsí minds are:
††††††††††††††††
o††† Their own bad spirits(cores).
††††††††††††††††
o††† Godís design of the material of the universe
†††††††††††††††††††††† that we are part of.

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier section:
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† IN WHAT WAYS DID GOD MAKE THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS? .,,,

†††††††††††††††† o††† The choices we make.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Our life is their life.They are our parasites.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see first two cells of earlier section: THE BASIC MECHANICS.,,,,,

 

††††††††††† Hence demonsí minds cannot comprehend
††††††††††† what theyíre not built to comprehend.

††††††††††† Hence, for a while,
††††††††††† demons wanted, so much, to see Jesus executed
††††††††††† that,
††††††††††† though they should have known it would backfire,
††††††††††† they did not know.

,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see cell (starting Just before Satan spoke)
,††††††††††††††††† of later section: section: WHY DO DEMONS ONLY TEMPT, WHY NOT CONTROL?.

 

 

However, someone who has walked on water can get off a cross.

The truth is Ė it was Jesusí love for us all that held him to a cross.

 

 

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AGREEMENT

 

 

The three persons of God
do not always do the same thing:

††††††††††† Sometimes they do different things:
††††††††††† during the crucifixion for example.

 

 

But all three persons of God agree:
††††††††††† As to what should be done.
††††††††††† That different roles are needed.
††††††††††† Which role each should play.

All because those roles:
††††††††††† Are right.
††††††††††† Are the most constructive in the long run.


,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG.

 

 

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DURING THE CRUCIFIXION:
FATHER, SON, & SPIRIT,
ARE ALL PARTS OF ONE PERSON

 

 

FATHER & SON

 

 

Eventually, the Godhead will have to decide
where we humans are going.

††††††††††† If he were completely loving Ė he would accept everyone.
††††††††††† If he were completely just Ė he would reject everyone.

In each case, the Godhead would be shown to be
deficient by human standards (let alone his own standards):

††††††††††† An ultra-soft hippy
††††††††††† or an ultra-legalistic judge.

††††††††††† Not a complete person.

 

 

††††††††††† We humans each have to be both loving and just
††††††††††† to make our many, daily, moral decisions.

††††††††††† So the Godhead, making more, & larger, moral decisions
††††††††††† than we make:
†††††††††††††††††††††† must have Ė at least what we have
†††††††††††††††††††††† must be Ė at least what we are
†††††††††††††††††††††† must be Ė both loving and just.

 

 

††††††††††† Therefore, during the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father was shown to be:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††† a part of a person,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† not a complete person.

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Son was shown to be:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† another part of that same person,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† not a complete person.

 

 

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GODíS SPIRIT

 

 

In the Bible, there are some instances
where Godís Spirit is written as an Ďití.

††††††††††† Rom c8 v16:
††††† ††††† The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
††††† ††††† that we are the children of God:†† KJV

††††††††††† Rom c8 v26:
††††† ††††† Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
††††† ††††† for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
††††† ††††† but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us
††††† ††††† with groanings which cannot be uttered.†† KJV

These imply that Godís Spirit is a thing,
not a person or even a part of a person.

 

 

But there is a greater number of instances
where Godís Spirit is written as a Ďheí.

†††††
††††† John c16 v8:
††††† ††††† And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin,
††††† ††††† and of righteousness, and of judgment:†† KJV

††††††††††† John c16 v13-14:
†††††
††††† Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
††††††††††† he will guide you into all truth:
††††††††††† for he shall not speak of himself;
††††† ††††† but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
††††† ††††† and he will shew you things to come.
††††† ††††† He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
††††† ††††† and shall shew it unto you.†† KJV

††††††††††† 1 Cor c12 v11:
†††††
††††† But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit,
††††† ††††† dividing to every man severally as he will.†† KJV

These imply that Godís Spirit is a person
or, at times, part of a person.

 

 

The article:
†††††† Institute for Religious Research / Biblical Christianity /
,††††† Neuter Pneuma and Neuter Pronouns Mean Not a Person:
,††††† Bad Arguments against the Personhood of the Holy Spirit #1
.

explains why the Bible scriptures
that call Godís Spirit a thing
are wrong.

To conclude: Godís Spirit is:
††††††††††† A person
††††††††††† or part of a person.
††††††††††† Not a thing.

 

 

.

 

During the crucifixion, Jesus said:

†††††††††††
Matt c27 v46††† (Mark c15 v34):
††††††††††† ctd Ö
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
††††††††††† That is to say, My God, my God,
††††††††††† why hast thou forsaken me?
†† KJV

This shows
that, during the crucifixion,
Jesus did not have the Spirit.

††††††††††† Hence, during the crucifixion,
††††††††††† the Spirit
:
††††††††††††††††
o††† being with only the Father
††††††††††††††††
o††† so, during that time, being only like the Father,
†††††††††††††††††††††† doing only the Fatherís will,

††††††††††† exhibited only Justice, not love:
††††††††††† was only a part of a person.

 

.

 

To conclude:
††††††††††† Godís Spirit is not a thing, he is a person.
††††††††††† But, during the crucifixion, he was only part of a person

 

 

.

 

CONCLUSION (YET TO BE COMPLETED)

 

 

††††† 1)During the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† Father, Son, & Spirit
†††††††††††††††††††††† were each only part of a person,

†††††††††††††††††††††† they were three parts of one person.

 

 

.

 

THREE PERSONS

 

 

COMPLETE ACCESS

 

 

During Jesusí three year ministry on Earth:

††††††††††† each part of God
††††††††††† had complete access
††††††††††† to the qualities & abilities of the other two:

 

 

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father was well pleased
†††††††††††††††††††††† with his Sonís loving ministry
†††††††††††††††††††††† and treated it as his own.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c3 v17††† Mark c1 v11††† Luke c3 v22

 

 

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Son gained his security
†††††††††††††††††††††† from his Fatherís sense of justice.
††††††††††††††††††††††
John c5 v31-47

 

 

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father shared the Spirit
†††††††††††††††††††††† with the Son.
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c3 v16††† Mark c1 v10††† Luke c3 v22†††

,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† See earlier section: GOD THE SPIRIT, , , ,

 

 

.

 

THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION

 

 

By adding item 2)
to the above, mostly Jesusí baptism, scriptures,
the earlier conclusion is completed.

 

 

††††† 1)During the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† Father, Son, & Spirit
††††† †††††††††††††††† were each only part of a person,

†††††††††††††††††††††† they were three parts of one person.

 

 

†††† 2)But at times other than the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† whatever each part lacks
†††††††††††††††††††††† is made up
†††††††††††††††††††††† by each part having
†††††††††††††††††††††† complete access
†††††††††††††††††††††† to the qualities & abilities of the other two.

†††††††††† Hence each part:
†††††††††††††††††††††† acts as a complete person
†††††††††††††††††††††† while remaining only part of a person,

†††††††††††††††††††††† functionally becomes a complete person
†††††††††††††††††††††† while structurally remaining only part of a person.

 

 

.

 

MORE ABOUT THE THREE PERSONS

 

 

MY USE OF BIBLE SCRIPTURES

 

 

Up until now Iíve used both:

††††††††††† crucifixion scriptures
,††††††††††††††††† to show how God is one person made of three parts


††††††††††† and:

 

††††††††††† non-crucifixion scriptures†† (e.g. Jesusí baptism scriptures)
,††††††††††††††††† to show how each part
,††††††††††††††††† becomes a complete person
,††††††††††††††††† because of access to each other.

 

 

From now on Iíll use only:

††††††††††† non-crucifixion scriptures†† (e.g. Jesusí baptism scriptures)
,††††††††††††††††† to show how each part
,††††††††††††††††† becomes a complete person
,††††††††††††††††† because of access to each other.

 

 

.

 

HOW THREE PARTS
BECOME THREE PERSONS

 

 

THREE PARTS

 

 

The Father has vast knowledge, Job c38 Ė c41,
hence the Father is the one who makes the decisions.

††††††††††† The Sonís knowledge is only drawn from
††††††††††† the Fatherís vast knowledge.†††
John c7 v16

 

 

Add this to what we already know
and the picture of God becomes complete.

 

 

Three
parts
of
one
person
.

The Father has justice & knowledge

The Son has love

The Spirit has power

 

 

.

 

HOW THREE PARTS
BECOME THREE PERSONS:
THE DETAILS

 

 

The following non-crucifixion scriptures
show how three parts
become three complete persons.

 

 

The Father has the power of the Spirit:

The Father has the love of the Son:
and is credited with
the loving actions of the Son:

John c15 v26,,

 

John c10 v30,,

 

John c17 v2,,,,,

 

 

The Son has the power of the Spirit:

The Son has complete access to:
††††††††††† the Fatherís justice:
††††††††††† & the Fatherís vast knowledge:

John c1 v32-34,

&Matt c12 v15-18,

 

John c5 v30††† c2 v13-17,

John c7 v16††† c4 v1-30,

 

 

The Spirit has the love of the Son:
and is credited with
the loving actions of the Son:

The Spirit has complete access to
††††††††††† the Fatherís justice:
††††††††††† & the Fatherís vast knowledge:

John c16 v6-7,,

 

Matt c12 v28,,

 

 

Matt c4 v1-2Luke c4 v1-2*

John c16 v13-15,,

 

*These 2 New Testament
examples of Godís Spirit
executing justice
are weak.
(During this, post-4gospels,
Church Age,
God is only loving.)

The Old Testament has
stronger examples
if you assume that
some of the bad things
God did, in the
Old Testament,
he did by his Spirit.
See earlier section:
SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT
THINGS THAT GOD DOES
.

 

 

.

 

HENCE, EACH PERSON BECOMES
COMPLETE Ö

 

 

The Father has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

The Son has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

The Spirit has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

.

 

Ö BUT THEIR ROLES IN OUR LIVES
VARY

 

 

The Father has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

The Son has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

The Spirit has:††† .

Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.

 

 

.

 

REPEAT OF
THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION

 

 

††††† 1)During the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† Father, Son, & Spirit
†††††††††††††††††††††† were each only part of a person,

†††††††††††††††††††††† they were three parts of one person.

 

 

††††† 2)But at times other than the crucifixion:

†††††††††††††††††††††† whatever each part lacks
†††††††††††††††††††††† is made up
†††††††††††††††††††††† by each part having
†††††††††††††††††††††† complete access
†††††††††††††††††††††† to the qualities & abilities of the other two.

††††††††††† Hence each part:
†††††††††††††††††††††† acts as a complete person
†††††††††††††††††††††† while remaining only part of a person,

†††††††††††††††††††††† functionally becomes a complete person
†††††††††††††††††††††† while structurally remaining only part of a person.

 

 

.

 

AN EXPLANATION FOR
THE SPIRITíS EXISTENCE

 

 

The phrase:
††††††††††† Father & Son & Spirit
††††††††††† share one spirit(core).
was part of my earlier explanation
for the virgin birth.
Perhaps see earlier section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH, , , ,

 

 

And that same phrase:
††††††††††† Father & Son & Spirit
††††††††††† share one spirit(core).
also supports the previous sectionsí arguments:
††††††††††† complete access
††††††††††† makes three parts of God
††††††††††† become three persons.

,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps read earlier section:
,††††††††††††††††† HOW THREE PARTS BECOME THREE PERSONS,
,††††††††††††††††† and its subsections,
,††††††††††††††††† down to this point.

 

 

And that same phrase:
††††††††††† Father & Son & Spirit
††††††††††† share one spirit(core).
is also an explanation for the Spiritís existence:

††††††††††† The Spirit is the Father,
††††††††††† but is the Father:
†††††††††††††††††††††† travelling in time,
†††††††††††††††††††††† in the First Dimension,
††††††††††† then:
†††††††††††††††††††††† manifesting, as the Spirit,
†††††††††††††††††††††† in this Second Dimension.

,†††††††† ,†††††††† Perhaps see third diagram
,†††††††† ,†††††††† of earlier webpage: Time travel occurs in Heaven. ,,,,,

††††††††††† Hence, in this Second Dimension, the Spirit:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Has no size or form,
†††††††††††††††††††††† is everywhere, all of the time.
††††††††††††††††††††† Can observe & act
†††††††††††††††††††††† anywhere, at any time.

††††††††††† Whereas, in the First Dimension, the Father:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Has size & form,
†††††††††††††††††††††† is in one place, at any given time.

††††††††††† The Father never leaves Heaven to come here.
††††††††††† The Spirit never leaves here to go to Heaven.
††††††††††† I know of no Bible verse that contradicts this.

 

 

.

 

 

††††††††††† You may say that the Father did come to earth,
††††††††††† to visit Adam & Eve Ė in the Garden of Eden.


††††††††††† But I disregard that instance because
††††††††††† this section youíre now reading is technical
††††††††††† whereas the Garden of Eden is partly fictional.

,†††††††† ,†††††††† See earlier section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL ADAM & EVE AS REAL, , , ,

 

 

††††††††††† Or you may say that, while Jesus was transfigured:
††††††††††††††††††††††
Matt c17 v2-9†††† Mark c9 v2-9†††† Luke c9 v28-36
†††††††††††††††††††††† Temporarily physically changed, while still mortal,
†††††††††††††††††††††† so that he shone like a bright light
.†† my abbreviation
††††††††††† the Father spoke to him & the disciples
††††††††††† through a temporary, localised, bright, supernatural, cloud
††††††††††† (like the Father spoke through a burning bush, in
Exo c3 v4).

††††††††††† Such instances are as close as the Father gets
††††††††††† to coming to Earth.

††††††††††† But itís not him coming to Earth, itís more like a video link.

 

 

††††††††††† Or you may say that God, the Father,
††††††††††† spoke to Moses face to face,
††††††††††† as youíd speak to a friend.
Exo c33 v11,,,,,

††††††††††† But God, shortly afterwards, told Moses
††††††††††† that no one can see his face and live.
Exo c33 v20,,,,,

††††††††††† And John later writes that no-one has seen the Father
††††††††††† except the Son.
John c1 v18,,,,,

††††††††††† So, perhaps the writer of
Exo c33, Moses himself,
††††††††††† was, in his first statement,
††††††††††† impressed with being friends with the Father
††††††††††† (and so he should be)
††††††††††† such that he wrote that they spoke face to face
††††††††††† when he should have written that they were
††††††††††† like face to face friends.

†††††††††††††† Data from
††††††††††††††
Gotquestions.org / Did Moses see God?. ,,,,,

 

 

.

 

 

ITíS BECAUSE OF US
THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS

 

 

The Fatherís heart is entirely loving.

†††††††††††
1 John c4 v16††† (& v8):
†††††††††††
ctd Ö God is love [i.e. agape love] Ö ctd†† KJV
,††††††††††††††††† Any kind of human love is less than Godís kind of love: agape love.
,††††††††††††††††† I suppose thatís why itís:God is love,and not:love is God.


Left to his own devices:
††††††††††† loving is all God would be,
††††††††††† God would do only right-&-good.

 

 

††††††††††† Itís only because of:
†††††††††††††††††††††† us
††††††††††† and:
†††††††††††††††††††††† angels that became demons
††††††††††† that God does right-yet-bad.


,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier section: WHY IS THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS?
,††††††††††††††††† and:
,††††††††††††††††† perhaps see earlier webpage: The good & bad that God does
,††††††††††††††††† and:
,††††††††††††††††† perhaps see earlier, long, webpage: The origin of angels & demons. ,

 

 

††††††††††† And itís only because of:
†††††††††††††††††††††† us
††††††††††† that God became one person yet three persons.


,††††††††††††††††† Perhaps see earlier sections:
,††††††††††††††††† SON & SPIRIT
,††††††††††††††††† and:
,††††††††††††††††† WHATíS WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION? , , .

 

 

.

 

IN JESUS, THE FATHER REVEALS HIS HEART TO US

 

 

Perhaps see later section:
GOD DOES NOT CHANGE
BUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH US CHANGES
, , , , , , , ,

 

During this Church Age:

††††††††††††††††††††††
Godís relationship with us is:
††††† †††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† Son loves us
†††††
†††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† Father loves us.

††††† †††††††††††††††† But unbelievers see:
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
Son loves us
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Father Judges us.

 

††††††††††† If you believe, and so renew your mind accordingly:

††††††††††††††††††††††
Godís relationship with us is:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Son loves us
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Father loves us.


†††††
†††††††††††††††† And you see it as it is:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Son loves us
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Father loves us.

 

 

.

 

 

To conclude:

††††††††††† In the Old Testament:
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father did many bad yet right things:
,†††††††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† ,†††††††† Perhaps see earlier section: PAST BAD-YET-RIGHT.


††††††††††† But, in the New Testament:
†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father reveals his heart to us
†††††††††††††††††††††† in the form of Jesus,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and it is a heart of love.

††††† †††††††††††††††† John c10 v30††† (John c14 v8-11):
†††††††††††††††††††††† I and my Father are one.†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† John c5 v19:
††††† †††††††††††††††† Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Verily, verily, I say unto you,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† The Son can do nothing of himself,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† but what he seeth the Father do:
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† for what things soever he doeth,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† these also doeth the Son likewise
.†† KJV

†††††††††††††††††††††† John c14 v9-11:
†††††††††††††††††††††† Jesus saith unto him,
†††††††††††††††††††††† Have I been so long time with you,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
†††††††††††††††††††††† he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
†††††††††††††††††††††† and how sayest thou
then,
†††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Shew us the Father?
†††††
††††† ††††††††††† Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and the Father in me?
†††††††††††††††††††††† the words that I speak unto you
†††††††††††††††††††††† I speak not of myself:
†††††††††††††††††††††† but the Father that dwelleth in me,
†††††††††††††††††††††† he doeth the works.
†††††
††††† ††††††††††† Believe me that I
am in the Father,
†††††††††††††††††††††† and the Father in me:
†††††††††††††††††††††† or else believe me for the very works' sake
.†† KJV

††††† ††††† ††††††††††† 1 John c4 v16††† (& v8):
†††††
††††† ††††††††††† ctd Ö God is love [i.e. agape love] Ö ctd†† KJV
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Any kind of human love is less than Godís kind of love: agape love.
,††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† I suppose thatís why itís:†† God is love,†† and not:†† love is God.

 

 

†††††††††††††††††††††† The Father always wanted to do
†††††††††††††††††††††† only good, like his Son.

†††††††††††††††††††††† And, in this Church Age, he does do
†††††††††††††††††††††† only good, like his Son.

†††††††††††††††††††††† For the Father did not like disciplining the Jews
†††††††††††††††††††††† and he will not like Judging us on Judgment Day.

 

 

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