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God’s identity: the Trinity
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SOME
DEFINITIONS
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GOD THE SPIRIT
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1) Father and Son are always in two places.
Whereas the Spirit is
omnipresent & omnipotent.
2) Father
and Son share the Spirit with each
other.
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Hence:
3) the Spirit of God makes all three persons of God:
omnipresent (eyes & ears everywhere)
omnipotent (‘hands’
everywhere).
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The Father does many things by his Spirit:
Designed & created
the material that formed the
universe. Gen c1, ,
Conceived
his Son. Luke c1 v35, ,
But the Father does not do everything by his Spirit:
An angel killed an enemy
army
in the night.
2 Kings c19 v35, ,
Angels
will sort us
on Judgment Day.
Matt c13 v24-30 & v36-43 & v47-50, ,
You
might suppose, from the above,
that God does the
right-&-good tasks
but dumps the right-but-bad tasks onto angels.
However, God does do some bad things:
,, ,, See earlier
section: SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT THINGS THAT GOD DOES,,,
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within it.
,, ,, (This link does
not open a new tab.)
Though notice (through the
above red link)
that God doesn’t do bad
things in this Church Age.
So, it’s not only: ‘who does
what’,
it’s also: ‘when it’s done’.
, See earlier section: THE CHURCH AGE and its two subsections.
, Perhaps see fifteenth cell (starting In these New Testament times)
, of earlier section: WHY GOD’S WORDS
HAVE POWER.
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The Spirit has: . . power . . . . . no authority.
Angels have: .
. . . power . . . . . no
authority.
The Father has: . . authority
. . no power.
The Son has: . . . . authority . . no power.
Authority =
Someone giving you, or denying you,
permission to do it.
Letting
you, or stopping you, do it.
Power =
You, quite separately,
possessing
the ability to do it.
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Hence:
1) You pray:
You ask, or
someone asks you to ask, the Father
to fix a distant problem.
Then
the Father tells:
the
Spirit
or
angels
to fix that
problem.
2) You pray:
The Father
prompts his Spirit, inside you,
to prompt you
to tell the
Father
to fix a distant problem.
Then
the Father tells:
the
Spirit
or
angels
to fix that
problem.
3) You command:
You have authority (Jesus’ name & Jesus’
promises)
and power (the Spirit).
So, to fix a problem, up close,
you speak to it, in Jesus’ name.
See earlier
section: WHY GOD’S WORDS HAVE POWER, , , , .
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The Father gave authority to Jesus
who then gave that authority to us. Matt c28 v18-20 John c20 v21-23
Technically – it was sharing.
But from the receiver’s point of view – it was giving:
The Father stepped back to
let his Son take centre stage.
Then the Son finished his
work and gave us centre stage.
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Notice that Jesus gave us authority:
by way of his name
and by way of his promises.
, See: Matt c28 v18-20,,,
, and Elliott’s Commentary at the beginning of: BibleHub: Matt c28 v18,,,
, and see: John c20 v21-23. ,,,
Then, a little while later, at Pentecost, the Father gave us power:
by way of giving us his Spirit.
Acts c2 v1-4,,,
Thus God made us believers
each as complete as the Trinity . .
Col
c2 v9-10:
For
in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him,
which is the head of all
principality and power: KJV
. . so that we can command
miracles.
Perhaps see later section: CONTINUING
THE SON’S WORK. , , , , ,
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In John c16 v7 Jesus said:
I must go from here, must
leave everyone,
to enable me
to give the Spirit to
everyone.
But I reckon that, technically speaking, he meant:
I must be crucified in place of everyone (die: hence leave).
This makes everyone holy in my Father’s eyes.
This enables him to give his Holy Spirit to everyone.
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God gave his Holy Spirit in the Old Testament too:
But only to some people.
And it was only temporary.
And not intimate.
Whereas, after Pentecost:
God gave his Holy Spirit to everyone.
And, in believers, it’s permanent.
And intimate. John c15
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Mind
you, even though God gave his Spirit to everyone:
Only those who’ve
accepted Jesus’ sayings:
“forgive
all who’ve hurt you”,
“love
your (personal) enemies”,
etc,
will accept help
to do those things,
namely from God’s
Spirit.
Only those who’ve
accepted the Son
also accept the
Spirit.
The Spirit makes
no sense to unbelievers.
John
c14 v16-17:
And
I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another
Comforter,
that he may abide
with you for ever;
even the Spirit of truth;
whom the world
cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth
him:
but
ye know him; for he dwelleth with you,
and shall be in
you. KJV
Perhaps read the whole
of John c14.,
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GOD’S SPIRIT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE),
AND
WHY GOD’S SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS)
ARE BOTH WISPY.
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Technically speaking:
God’s Spirit is dynamic.
, John c3 v8:
, The wind bloweth where it listeth,
, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and
whither it goeth:
, so is every one that is born of the Spirit. KJV
But a human spirit(core)
is a structure.
So, God’s Spirit and a human spirit(core)
are structurally incompatible with
each other.
So their relationship is
not:
one-blending-with-the-other
but:
dynamic-affecting-static.
So God’s Spirit sets
up home
in every believer’s spirit(core)
(and soul – if they’ve
renewed their mind):
without blending,
without becoming one with him/her,
without becoming one structure.
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As I
wrote above, God’s Spirit is dynamic.
Hence, to us, he is wispy, ghosty, insubstantial.
A human
spirit(ghost) is a structure.
But, it’s a structure that’s not readily detected by the living.
Hence, to us, a human spirit(ghost),
is also wispy ghosty, insubstantial.
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To see the difference between spirit(core) and spirit(ghost)
see earlier webpage: The
two meanings of the word ‘spirit’.,,,,,,,
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USES OF THE
WORD ‘GOD’
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About two-thousand years ago,
God, miraculously, had a Son, Jesus,
by a young Jewish woman named Mary.
This changed God’s title from:
God
to:
God the Father.
Jesus is such an extreme cross breed
(like crossing a rabbit with a car)
that he is not:
half God, half human,
but:
all God, all human.
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Hence there are seven possible meanings of the
word ‘God’:
1) Father
2) Son
3) Spirit
4) Father & Son
5) Father & Spirit
6) Son & Spirit
7) Father & Son & Spirit
1) 2) 3) & 7) are commonly used.
4) 5) & 6) are rarely, if ever, used.
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Mary is the mother of 2).
But not of 1) or 3).
Nor therefore of 4) 5) 6) or 7).
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GOD THE SON
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Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG.
Old Testament miracles were each:
1) right-&-good
or 2) right-&-bad
or 3) both, in one scenario.
But all of Jesus’ miracles were:
1) right-&-good
with one minor exception:
when he miraculously trashed
a fig tree.
, Note: a tree, a thing not a person.
I reckon
Jesus cursed a fig tree
because it was
like the ‘religious’ leaders
that he knew he
was about to meet.
Matt c21 v19-20 Mark c11 v12-14 &
v20
It was all
leaves. They were all show.
It had no
fruit. They had nothing good to offer.
Matt c21 v21 – c23 v36 Mark c11 v27 – c12 v40 , ,
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Likewise, all believers’
miracles, in Acts,
were right-&-good
with only a few minor
exceptions.
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Jesus needed the Spirit so as to have power so
as to do miracles
(just like Old Testament people
needed the Spirit to do miracles).
So, when Jesus was 30 years
old,
the Father simply gave him the Spirit.
Matt c3 v16-17 Mark c1 v10-11,,,,,
Luke c3 v21-22 John c1 v32-34,,,,,
Later on, Jesus’ crucifixion
would earn us the Spirit
so that we too could do
miracles (in Jesus’ name of course).
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As for our future relationship with the Spirit:
Sometimes the Bible says we go to
Heaven.
But sometimes the Bible says
we go to a New Earth.
Isa c65 v17 Isa c66 v22 2 Pet c3 v13 Rev c21 v1,,,
I reckon that we go to a New
Earth
and that it’s in some sort
of sub-dimension
of the First Dimension.
,, ,, Perhaps see earlier section: FIRST COMPLAINT.
That way everyone there has
the Spirit permanently.
Matt c28 v20
John c14 v18
Heb c13 v5
,, ,, Also see bottom pair of cells (starting Any
being)
,, ,, of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL
DEFINITIONS.
For, if we went to Heaven,
the First Dimension, instead
the Spirit there would be the Father.
,, ,, The third cell (starting And
that same phrase)
,, ,, of later section: AN EXPLANATION FOR
THE SPIRIT’S EXISTENCE
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God’s
Spirit went into Jesus
then immediately led him into the wilderness
where he stayed for forty days:
Matt c3 v13 – c4 v11 Mark c1 v9-13 Luke c3 v21-23 & c4 v1-13
While there, God’s Spirit prompted him to:
o Fast (eat no food, drink only water).
, Jesus was fully God, but also fully human.
, That’s why he needed to fast for so long.
o Be tempted by Satan
so that he could say
“No” to Satan.
o And, I reckon, pray to God his Father,
both talking and
hearing.
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Or, to put it another way:
I reckon Jesus prayed & fasted for forty days
to finish
off renewing his mind:
o End the
earthliness of his life
with
its earthly priorities:
His
beliefs:
ever
copied, by his spirit(core),
from
his spirit(core), to his mind,
now
overriding earthly expectations.
o Be
alone, away from the world:
So that he could hear,
clearly,
not only Satan, but
also his Father.
o Be alone, away from the world:
So that Satan could not speak to him
through family & friends.
, Like Satan later spoke to him
, through Peter. Matt c16 v16-23 Mark c8 v33 .
o Etc.
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Jesus is one with, and is the image of,
his Father. John c10 v30 Heb c1 v3
So Jesus had always had:
a telepathic connection with his
Father,
and a nearly renewed mind. Luke c2 v39-52
Hence, any Old Testament scripture
that Jesus hadn’t read,
the Father, via the Spirit,
would’ve told him about.
And, any OT scripture the Father
thought needed perfecting,
the Father, via the Spirit,
would’ve also told him about:
, E.G. Old Testament, , , , New Testament
, Deut c24 v1-4 Gen c2 v19-25, , Matt c19 v3-12 Mark c10 v2-12
So, unlike our minds, Jesus’ mind was nearly renewed
even before
he had the Spirit.
In this, Jesus had a head start over us.
Perhaps see later section: WHAT IS A RENEWED MIND? , , .
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Satan tempted Jesus for the whole forty days Luke c4 v2a,,,,,
(though, presumably, in an intermittent way).
Near the end of fasting
& praying,
when Jesus was starving,
Satan tempted him with:
Matt c4 v1-11 Luke c4 v1-13:
“Create some food, do good to yourself.
You don’t need the Father
(decrease your relationship with him).
Act from only the flesh,
not from the spirit(core).” my abbreviation
Implying that the Father is mean spirited, not
loving.
(when in fact, afterwards,
the Father sent angels, with
food, to Jesus).
Other than this fast, Jesus practiced the opposite of fasting.
E.G. He ate just before his trials in the garden of Gethsemane.
Matt c26 Mark c14,,,,,
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Then, at age 30,
after he had fasted for 40 days & nights in the wilderness,
Jesus had a three year ministry, in which he:
a) Healed
individuals.
b) Forgave,
as God the Son,
some people,
each individually,
of all their sins. Mark c2 v5
, , , , Notice 1) in next paragraph.
c) Revealed the:
self-love, and
hatred of God,
of some who were
in charge of
administering
God’s laws. Matt c23
d) Preached
that:
God’s laws had
revealed God’s justice.
But, now, God was
revealing his mercy. Luke c15
e) Taught
his twelve disciples:
to heal
and to preach
that God is revealing his mercy.
f) And
much more.
Then, when Jesus was 33 years old,
in chronological order:
1) He
allowed himself to be Punished
in place of all of us
as the Father’s
Forgiveness of everyone.
, Notice b) in previous paragraph.
2) Jesus’
spirit(ghost) went to paradise
for three days Luke c23 v43
while his body stayed in the
tomb.
, , Perhaps see:
, , Did Jesus go to
hell between His death and resurrection?.
3) After those three days: Jesus rose from the
dead;
not as a spirit(ghost), but
as substantial,
, Perhaps see: Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on
Sunday.
and, for forty
days, visited his friends & disciples.
4) One
such visit included him telling his disciples
to wait, in Jerusalem,
for God’s Spirit.
5) Then
he went to Heaven, to sit, enthroned,
at the right of his Father:
his hardest work done, the
baton handed over to us.
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Regarding:
‘the baton handed
over to us’
and:
John c5 v19:
ctd … The Son can do nothing of himself,
but what he seeth
the Father do:
for what things
soever he doeth,
these also doeth
the Son likewise. KJV
Andrew Wommack makes an
important comparison
between Jesus and us:
Andrew Wommack's Free Online Commentary
Note 4 on
John 5:19.
(You may also want
Andrew’s commentary
on: John c10 v30 &
John c15 v5.) , , ,
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So, Jesus now sits enthroned, in Heaven,
next to his enthroned Father.
That doesn’t mean
he’s trapped there.
He is free to move:
in space & time
in Heaven, the First
Dimension,
and:
in space
in this Second Dimension.
He is a king who is able to move away from his throne.
So, if he wants to see, or even be part of, healings etc,
there’s nothing stopping him.
After all, he paid for it, so it’s only logical
that he would want to enjoy what he’s paid for.
He’d be visible to all, or some, or none, as he wants:
He could appear, at
different places on the planet,
all at the same time,
because he can travel in
time in Heaven.
, Perhaps see earlier webpage:
, There is time in Heaven
, and earlier section:
, HOW JESUS EXISTED
BEFORE HE WAS BORN. , , , ,
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Time travel in Heaven means that:
The Father in Heaven
is
the Spirit here, everywhere,
all the time,
The resurrected Jesus, in
Heaven,
can be
here, with whoever,
whenever.
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Jesus appears here because:
He loves us, so he
encourages us,
Luke c24 v13-53:
Encouragement on the road to Emmaus. my abbn
especially in our times of
difficulty.
Acts c7 v51-60:
Encouragement while being martyred. my abbn
, Perhaps also see:
, YouTube: – NZ highlights:
CATHOLICS
encounter JESUS' POWER,
joy, miracles,
healing, deliverance, message,
, at: 57m 35s to:
59m 20s.
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WHY WAS
JESUS EXECUTED?
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Not all the Pharisees wanted Jesus dead.
At
least Nicodemus wanted to hear what Jesus had to say.
John c3 v1-21 John c7 v50-52 John c19 v39 (Acts c5 v34-42).
But most Pharisees wanted him dead
or the leading Pharisees wanted him
dead
or both.
And a fair portion of the public must have wanted Jesus dead
for the Pharisees to achieve what they did.
Matt c27 v15-26
Mark c15 v6-15,,,,,
Luke c23 v13-25
John c18 v29 – c19 v16,,,,,
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Perhaps
those particular Pharisees were wicked.
Perhaps see later section: JESUS’ USE OF THE WORDS ‘RIGHTEOUS’ AND
‘WICKED’.,,,,,
Perhaps they were righteous
but practicing guilt projection
Perhaps see later section: GUILT PROJECTION.,,,,,
in
which case they’d have been encouraged by demons:
The demons would have encouraged
the Pharisees
to have Jesus killed
by telepathically reminding them,
repeatedly,
of two of God’s commandments to
all Jews:
1) I
am one God, not many gods.
Deut c6 v4
Mark c12 v29
Gal c3 v20.
2) So worship only me, not the many pagan
gods
that the nations around
you worship.
Exo c20 v3
Exo c34 v14
Deut c5 v7.
Deut c6 v13-14
Deut c8 v19
Deut c11 v16-17.
Deut c17 v2-5
Matt c4 v10
Luke c4 v8.
, Those pagan gods were only idols.
, Mind you, they were demon-backed idols,
, so they were potent, though not as potent as God.
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God gave these two commandments to the
Jews
because of their atrocious
propensity
, (atrocious – considering God’s past miracles in their favour)
for worshipping idols:
Exo c31 v18 – c32 v16
Bible Odyssey: The
Worship of the Golden Calf
by Baruch J.
Schwartz
Wikipedia: Thou shalt
have no other gods before me
Bible Odyssey: The Ten
Commandments (Exod 20)
by William P.
Brown, , , ,
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Hence demons telepathically repeatedly
said,
to righteous Pharisees, about God:
,, ,, ,, 1) I
am one God, not many gods. ,, (true)
,, ,, ,, 2) Worship
only me. ,, ,, ,, ,, (a right command)
,, ,, ,, 3) Hence
Jesus is not God’s Son. ,, (illogical)
Wicked Pharisees would have thought this anyway.
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Jesus usually called himself “the Son of
man”
and, less frequently: “the Son of God.
These two phrases each mean
virtually the opposite
of what most people
(including most Christians)
think they mean:
Watch R. C. Sproul
explain. (4 minute video)
YouTube:
– The Difference Between
"Son of God"
and "Son of Man",,,
and you’ll see that, by
calling himself:
the Son of man
and certain other
phrases*,
Jesus was actually calling himself:
the Son of God.
Indeed, it’s because
calling himself
the Son of God,
in this way,
was so
clear,
that the religious leaders
promptly had him executed
him for blasphemy.
Mark c14 v55-65, note v62 Matt c26 v59-68, note v64
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The *certain other phrases
that Jesus called himself
were:
o I
am. Exo c3 v14,,,
(this is the name
God gave to himself).
o I will
sit at God’s right hand. Luke c22 v69 Psalm 110 v1,
o I will
return, on the clouds, in the sky.
Mark c13 v26 Daniel c7 v9-14,,,
o No man
has ascended to Heaven
except the one
who came down
from Heaven. John c3 v1-21,,,
o I am
the Lord of the sabbath.
Matt c12 v1-29 note v8 &
Mark c2 (& Luke c6 v1-11).
Even there, &
then,
the public
weren’t that familiar with scripture.
Hence it was only
the religious leaders
who saw the
weight of what Jesus was saying.
,, ,, ,, ,, N.B.
God called Jesus: “My beloved Son”. Matt c3 v16-17. ,,,
,, ,, ,, ,, Also
see Luke c1 – c2. ,,,
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Jesus’ miracles &
compassion
made it fairly clear, to the righteous,
that he was God’s Son.
Yet Jesus often told them
to not share their thoughts with
others.
Why?
I reckon:
Partly
so that he remained free of crowds
so that he could minister to people. Mark c1 v39-45,,,
But mainly so that as little
news as possible, of his divinity,
reached the religious
leaders.
For Jesus did not want his
ministry
to be cut short by his crucifixion.
He first needed to teach his
followers:
how to do what he
did
and much more.
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Realise that God,
using what Jesus did & didn’t say,
was even co-ordinating demonic activity!
Just
before Satan spoke through Peter
Jesus had been speaking about
his coming crucifixion and resurrection.
Matt c16 v21-23 Mark c8 v31-33,,
That’s what made Satan say, through
Peter:
“Jesus: don’t be crucified.”
But later, nearer the time
of the crucifixion,
Satan was swayed
by the disciples’ lack of
expectancy of a resurrection.
Hence Satan had a
change of mind,
helped cause the crucifixion.
John c13 c27-30
& c18 v1-5:
Satan entered Judas
to encourage him to
betray Jesus. my abbreviation
, Andrew Wommack says, I reckon rightly, that God is like a master chess
player.
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All
of the above (all of this section)
is because Jesus:
Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed,
for being:
the Son of God
and king of the
Jews. Matt c27 v37
Mark c15 v26
,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, Luke c23 v38
John c19 v1-22,,,
Wanted to be accused, & legitimately executed:
merely for
telling the truth,
for no good legal
reason.
Wanted to be innocent
yet legitimately executed.
For Jesus and his Father had
a shared understanding
that, in his Father’s eyes,
Jesus would take our place.
, Perhaps see later section: THE THREE POINTS OF VIEW, , .
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Words are
important to God
for the same reason they are important to us:
for specifying
things/intentions/actions/etc.
, , Perhaps
see earlier section:
, , ANIMALS WITH LARGE BRAINS.
Hence:
o God, throughout the
Old Testament, communicated to us
using actions and words.
o One of Jesus’ names
is:
the Word [i.e. God’s words] made flesh. John c1 v1-14
o God commanded the material of the universe
into existence
using words. Heb c11 v3 Gen c1
Therefore God commanded
the material that Jesus was
initially made of
into existence
using words.
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Jesus
was conceived, and grew up,
made entirely of
the material of the universe: material God had designed & made.
The Father must have also designed
& made
the DNA that he used to conceive Jesus:
For the Father is structured differently from us
and is made of different materials from us.
So he could not supply the DNA pattern
from his own body.
So, Jesus was made, not begotten.
So how could Jesus be begotten, not made?
For:
Creating means: Creating materials outside of yourself.
Making means: Manipulating materials outside of
yourself.
Begetting means: Giving
a bit of yourself
thus also duplicating the pattern of
yourself.
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Answer:
Our human form
is shaped by:
o Gravity pulling us
down onto a flat surface.
o Our need for:
locomotion, respiration, digestion,
reproduction, sexual
attraction.
o Our need for: fingers
(& therefore arms),
forward vision,
hearing, & perhaps smell.
o The effect our
eternal nature has on our bodies
(e.g. grunts becoming
words).
, Perhaps see fourth cell (starting: I
reckon the real Adam(s))
, to the end, of earlier section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL
ADAM & EVE AS REAL.
o Etc.
Does the Father
possess, & so exhibit,
our range of genetic
qualities? No.
He even consists of different
materials from us.
So, the Father used
materials of the universe
(or made some fresh)
to make the DNA
that he used to beget Jesus.
And, more importantly,
he designed the DNA that he provided.
This is not the Father begetting:
contributing a
bit of himself.
This is the Father making:
manipulating
materials outside of himself.
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However,
I reckon that our meaning of
begetting
is primitive compared to God’s
meaning of begetting:
When we beget
there is no guarantee that
the child will be like the parents
regarding the spirit(core).
Regarding the
soul and body. Yes.
Regarding the
spirit(core). No.
, , Perhaps
see later webpage:
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But,
when the Father begat Jesus, Luke c1 v26-38,
the only thing the Father could give Mary
that was of himself
was himself.
God’s will goes into anyone he
begets:
John c10 v30 (John c14 v8-11):
I and my Father are one. KJV
John c5 v19:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
Verily,
verily, I say unto you,
The Son can
do nothing of himself,
but what he
seeth the Father do:
for what
things soever he doeth,
these also
doeth the Son likewise. KJV
John c14 v9-11:
Jesus
saith unto him,
Have I been so
long time with you,
and yet hast thou
not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest
thou then,
Shew us the
Father?
Believest
thou not that I am in the Father,
and the Father in
me?
the words that I
speak unto you
I speak not of
myself:
but the Father
that dwelleth in me,
he doeth the
works.
Believe me
that I am in the Father,
and the Father in
me:
or else believe
me for the very works' sake. KJV
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Father
& Son & Spirit:
Share one
spirit(core).
But
have different roles
so they have
similar, but separate, souls.
Jesus, being human, had a
spirit(ghost).
He
was dead for a short while
during which time
he was a spirit(ghost).
Luke c23 v32-43
Notably
v43 2 Cor c12 v1-4
Father & Son:
Have separate
bodies.
The Spirit:
Has no body, is
dynamic.
, Perhaps see earlier section:
, GOD’S SPIRIT IS
DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPIRIT(CORE),
AND WHY GOD’S SPIRIT AND OUR SPIRITS(GHOSTS)
ARE BOTH WISPY.
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To
conclude: this section is an explanation of how:
A) Jesus
is begotten:
Luke c1 v35
And
the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost
shall come upon thee,
and the power of
the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also
that holy thing
which shall be born of thee
shall be called
the Son of God. KJV
and yet:
B) Jesus
is also made of the Father’s words:
John c1 v14:
And
the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld
his glory,
the glory as of
the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and
truth. KJV
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RESURRECTION:
JESUS’ & OURS.
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A
believer:
1) Starts as a substantial,
temporary, body.
2) Then is an insubstantial,
spirit(ghost),
who sleeps in death.
3) Then is a substantial body
again, but this time eternal.
Jesus likewise:
1) Starts as a substantial,
temporary, body.
2) Then is an insubstantial,
spirit(ghost),
who went to Paradise.
3) Then is a substantial body
again, but this time, eternal.
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Many
people:
want to be buried, not
cremated,
want to still be ‘all there’,
because they think that God
can only work with
their original body, however
much it’s decayed.
But, in fact:
God uses their
spirit(ghost), not their fleshly body,
as the pattern for their
eternal body.
Transforms their
spirit(ghost) into an eternal body.
, Perhaps see earlier section:
, SPIRIT: AN APPARENT
DUPLICATION
OF THE WHOLE PERSON
, and the section after it.
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One reason God does not use a
believer’s fleshly body
is that he would have to
make so many adjustments
due to decay.
It’s simpler to use their spirit(ghost) as the pattern
(then de-age it, or age it
if it were a child).
Hence, even if someone died
one minute before Judgment
Day:
so that they were
resurrected one minute after dying,
were a
spirit(ghost) for only one minute,
God would still use their spirit(ghost) as their
pattern
and not their fleshly body.
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We will each end up
having had two bodies:
1. An old, temporary, fleshly, body.
2. A new, eternal, body.
Whereas Jesus ended up
having had only one body:
1. One body, which, when resurrected, became eternal.
Yet which, when
eternal,
still showed the
un-healed wounds
of his
crucifixion. John c20
, One gospel has Jesus letting, both Mary Magdalene &
the other Mary,
, hold his feet. Matt c28 v9
, But another gospel has Jesus:
, telling Mary Magdalene not
to hold him, i.e. not embrace him,
, yet telling Thomas to thrust his hand into his side. John c20
, I assume this was because Jesus thought that Mary
Magdalene
, would be unnecessarily disconcerted
, at embracing him and finding a hole in his side.
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Jesus
did have a spirit(ghost):
He was dead for a short while
during which time he was a
spirit(ghost).
Luke c23 v32-43
Notably
v43 2 Cor c12 v1-4
So I reckon God used:
Jesus’ spirit(ghost)
as the pattern for his new, eternal, body.
But Jesus’ old, fleshly,
body
as the material for his new, eternal, body
(though transforming the material
to make it
eternal).
I reckon God did
this
in order to make
it clear, to his disciples,
that the
resurrection was not a con.
If Jesus had had two bodies, as we do:
his
old, dead, body
still
in one place,
his
new, eternal, body
now
appearing in another place,
then it could
have looked like a con:
twins,
or a look-alike,
one
dead, one alive.
It
would not have been that clear
that
there was only one person involved.
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THE WORDS THAT THE FATHER CONTRIBUTED
FOR THE CONCEPTION OF JESUS.
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Regarding
the section before last,
about Jesus being both:
begotten
and
made of the Father’s words:
Andrew Wommack says that all the
words spoken:
prophetically,
about Jesus, in the Old Testament,
by the Father,
through people,
were words that God later
used
to conceive Jesus.
, See: Day
2, Session 3: Andrew Wommack,
The Believer's
Authority
Published on Mar
5, 2009.
, at: 9,
14, 16, 28,
& 32, minutes.
, and: Lessons
From the Christmas Story for Every Season
Published on: Sep
18, 2010E.
, at 27
minutes.
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I agree with Andrew.
, , Indeed, I
reckon that there might not have been enough of those
words,
, , that God
had to speak more words.
But I reckon Andrew should
not:
forget A) Jesus is begotten
but:
remember B) Jesus is also made of the Father’s words,
then:
rephrase B) as “Jesus was created”.
, Perhaps
listen again to the links in the previous cell.
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I
reckon:
We were . . made . . . . . not begotten.
Jesus was . . begotten . . not
made or created.
We originated in this Second Dimension
and are made of the material of the universe.
Jesus, too, originated in this Second
Dimension
and is made of the material of the universe.
But, unlike us:
o Jesus is one with the Father:
the
Son, & the Father, & the Spirit,
all
share the same spirit(core).
o Jesus is made of the Father’s words.
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Perhaps
see a related disagreement
that I have with Andrew
in earlier section: CREATING
MATTER, BUT MAKING HUMANS.
But all credit to Andrew for tackling these subjects.
I’ve seen no one else try.
As I wrote in earlier section: INTRODUCTION:
So strongly do
I approve of the rest of Andrew’s teaching
that I have zero passion for disagreeing with him.
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JESUS’ MINISTRY
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About two-thousand years ago,
God, miraculously, had a Son, Jesus,
by a young Jewish woman named Mary.
Jesus is such an extreme cross breed
(like crossing a rabbit with a car)
that he is not:
half God, half human,
but:
all God, all human.
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In chronological order, Jesus was:
1) all God . . . . so he would want to . . . . . . do 2) 3) 4)
& 5)
2) all God . . . . so he would live . . . . . . . . . . a sinless life
3) all human . . so him living a sinless life . . would make 4) work
4) all human . . so he could . . . . . . . . . . . . . . die in our place
5) all God . . . . so he . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wouldn’t stay dead.
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QUALITY
NOT QUANTITY
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Jesus’ suffering worked:
not because he suffered more
than anyone else
, many people have
suffered more than Jesus did, and for longer,
nor because he was innocent
, babies, or very
mentally retarded adults, are also innocent
, but their suffering
could never achieve what Jesus’ suffering achieved
nor because he chose to suffer for humanity
, there are many (war)
heroes who saw their impending deaths as for humanity.
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Jesus’ suffering worked:
because he was innocent
& because he chose to suffer for all of us
& because he suffered brutally
and:
because he was, & is,
the only begotten Son of
God.
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WHY IS GOD MALE?
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The
universe is God’s breeding ground for beings:
eternal creatures,
a bit like himself
(i.e. humans & aliens).
, , Perhaps see first row of cells
, , of earlier section: SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS
, , and first cell
, , of later section: OVERVIEW.
Unlike reproduction of animals,
reproduction of beings should be thought of
as one, big, structure.
See earlier section:
THIS INCLUDES ALL DESCENDANTS, , .
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For
most creatures,
genetically improving design, over time,
requires two biological genders: male & female.
Perhaps see earlier section: EVOLUTION
OF PLANTS & ANIMALS.
The female human:
gets pregnant
and does the
early child rearing.
This means that, at least
historically,
females are more domestic:
need sustaining &
defending etc.
Hence, certainly
historically, males tend to lead.
This is why God is thought
of as male – because he leads.
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Also,
if God had been the mother of
Jesus,
with Joseph discretely robbed of semen:
Then Jesus would have been
born in Heaven
and raised, at least for a
while, in Heaven.
Then, at the age of five or
twelve or whatever,
be delivered to his father
& stepmother on Earth.
Amongst other things
that would have been conspicuous:
not in keeping with God’s tendency to hide.
Perhaps see earlier
section: WHAT’S WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION?, , .
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THE THREE
PERSONS OF GOD
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THE SON IS
NOT THE FATHER
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Some Christians say:
1) “Jesus and the Father are alike
, See fifth cell
(starting: But, when the Father
begat Jesus)
, of earlier
section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH.
2) not some of the time
but all of the time.”
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I agree with 1).
But I disagree with 2):
“During the crucifixion:
Father and Son
were not alike:
The Son was on
the Cross,
did not preside
over the situation.
The Father was
not on the Cross,
did preside over
the situation.
Each was
where the other
was not.
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The
Son had all of God’s love towards
us.
The Father had
all of God’s justice towards us.
Their
roles were opposite.”
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BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THE ABOVE
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During the crucifixion:
The Son had
all of God’s love towards us.
The Father had all of God’s justice towards us.
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The
Father had no love towards us:
Luke c23 v44-45:
God even
stopped the sun shining. my abbn
The Father had no love for
the Son:
Matt c27 v46 Mark c15 v34:
God
forsook the Son. my abbreviation
The Father
had all of God’s justice towards
us.
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The
Son made no complaints of injustice.
Luke c23 v34:
Then said Jesus,
Father, forgive them;
for they know not what they do … ctd KJV
This shows that,
during the crucifixion,
the Son was
different from the Father:
Jesus
had already forgiven them.
Now
he was asking his Father to do likewise,
showing
that his Father would otherwise
have
not done so.
The Son had
all of God’s love towards us.
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THE THREE
POINTS OF VIEW
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Unbelievers
see only nails
holding Jesus to a cross.
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Demons
likewise saw only
nails holding Jesus to a cross.
Why?
Because the things that build
demons’ minds are:
o Their
own bad spirits(cores).
o God’s
design of the material of the universe
that we are part
of.
, Perhaps see earlier section:
, IN WHAT WAYS DID GOD MAKE THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS? .,,,
o The choices we make.
, Our life is
their life. They are our parasites.
, Perhaps see first two cells of earlier section: THE BASIC MECHANICS.,,,,,
Hence demons’ minds cannot
comprehend
what they’re not built to
comprehend.
Hence,
for a while,
demons wanted, so much, to
see Jesus executed
that,
though they should have known it would backfire,
they did not know.
, Perhaps see cell
(starting Just before Satan spoke)
, of later section:
section: WHY DO DEMONS ONLY TEMPT, WHY NOT
CONTROL?.
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However,
someone who has walked on water can get off a cross.
The truth is – it was Jesus’ love for us all that held him to a cross.
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AGREEMENT
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The three persons of God
do not always do the same thing:
Sometimes they do different
things:
during the crucifixion for
example.
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But all three persons of God agree:
As to what should be done.
That different roles are needed.
Which role each should play.
All because those roles:
Are right.
Are the most constructive in the long run.
, Perhaps see earlier section: GOOD & BAD, RIGHT & WRONG.
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DURING THE CRUCIFIXION:
FATHER, SON, & SPIRIT,
ARE ALL PARTS OF ONE PERSON
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FATHER & SON
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Eventually, the Godhead will have to decide
where we humans are going.
If he were completely loving
– he would accept everyone.
If he were completely just –
he would reject everyone.
In each case, the Godhead would be shown to be
deficient by human standards (let alone his own standards):
An ultra-soft hippy
or an ultra-legalistic
judge.
Not a complete person.
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We
humans each have to be both loving and just
to make our many, daily,
moral decisions.
So the Godhead, making more,
& larger, moral decisions
than we make:
must have – at
least what we have
must be – at
least what we are
must be – both
loving and just.
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Therefore,
during the crucifixion:
The Father was shown to be:
a part
of a person,
not a
complete person.
The Son was shown
to be:
another
part of that same person,
not a
complete person.
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GOD’S SPIRIT
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In the Bible, there are some instances
where God’s Spirit is written as an ‘it’.
Rom c8 v16:
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God: KJV
Rom c8 v26:
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us
with groanings which cannot be uttered. KJV
These imply that God’s Spirit is a thing,
not a person or even a part of a person.
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But there is a greater number of instances
where God’s Spirit is written as a ‘he’.
John c16 v8:
And when he is come, he will reprove the
world of sin,
and of righteousness, and of judgment: KJV
John c16
v13-14:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is
come,
he will guide you into all
truth:
for he shall not speak of
himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that
shall he speak:
and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive
of mine,
and shall shew it
unto you. KJV
1 Cor c12 v11:
But all these worketh that one and the
selfsame Spirit,
dividing to every man severally as he
will. KJV
These imply that God’s Spirit is a person
or, at times, part of a person.
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The article:
Institute
for Religious Research / Biblical Christianity /
, Neuter Pneuma and Neuter
Pronouns Mean Not a Person:
, Bad Arguments against the
Personhood of the Holy Spirit #1.
explains why
the Bible scriptures
that call God’s Spirit a thing
are wrong.
To conclude: God’s Spirit is:
A person
or part of a person.
Not a thing.
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During the crucifixion, Jesus said:
Matt c27 v46 (Mark c15 v34):
ctd … Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
That
is to say, My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me? KJV
This shows that, during the crucifixion,
Jesus did not have the Spirit.
Hence, during the crucifixion,
the Spirit:
o being with only the
Father
o so, during that time, being only like the Father,
doing only the Father’s will,
exhibited only
Justice, not love:
was only a part of a person.
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To conclude:
God’s Spirit is not a thing,
he is a person.
But, during the crucifixion, he was only part of a person
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CONCLUSION (YET TO BE COMPLETED)
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1) During the crucifixion:
Father, Son,
& Spirit
were each only part of a person,
they were three parts of one person.
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THREE PERSONS
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COMPLETE ACCESS
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During Jesus’ three year ministry on Earth:
each part of God
had complete access
to the qualities &
abilities of the other two:
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The
Father was well pleased
with his Son’s
loving ministry
and treated it as
his own.
Matt c3 v17 Mark c1 v11 Luke c3 v22
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The
Son gained his security
from his Father’s
sense of justice.
John c5 v31-47
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The
Father shared the Spirit
with the Son.
Matt c3 v16 Mark c1 v10 Luke c3 v22
, See earlier section: GOD THE SPIRIT, , , ,
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THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION
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By adding item 2)
to the above, mostly Jesus’ baptism,
scriptures,
the earlier conclusion is completed.
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1) During the crucifixion:
Father, Son,
& Spirit
were
each only part of a person,
they were three parts of one person.
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2) But
at times other than the
crucifixion:
whatever each
part lacks
is made up
by each part
having
complete access
to the qualities
& abilities of the other two.
Hence each part:
acts as a complete person
while remaining
only part of a person,
functionally becomes a complete person
while structurally remaining only part of a
person.
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MORE
ABOUT THE THREE PERSONS
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MY USE OF BIBLE SCRIPTURES
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Up until now I’ve used both:
crucifixion scriptures
, to show how God is one
person made of three parts
and:
non-crucifixion
scriptures (e.g. Jesus’ baptism
scriptures)
, to show how each part
, becomes a complete person
, because of access to each other.
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From now on I’ll use only:
non-crucifixion
scriptures (e.g. Jesus’ baptism
scriptures)
, to show how each part
, becomes a complete person
, because of access to each other.
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HOW THREE PARTS
BECOME THREE PERSONS
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THREE PARTS
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The Father has vast knowledge, Job c38 – c41,
hence the Father is the one who makes the decisions.
The Son’s knowledge is only drawn
from
the Father’s vast
knowledge. John c7 v16
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Add this to what we already know
and the picture of God becomes complete.
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Three
parts
of
one
person.
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The Father has justice & knowledge
The Son has love
The Spirit has power
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HOW THREE PARTS
BECOME THREE PERSONS:
THE DETAILS
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The following non-crucifixion scriptures
show how three parts
become three complete persons.
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The Father has the power of the Spirit:
The Father has the love of the Son:
and is credited with
the loving actions of the Son:
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John c15 v26,,
John c10 v30,,
John c17 v2,,,,,
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The Son has the power of the Spirit:
The Son has complete access to:
the Father’s justice:
& the Father’s vast
knowledge:
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John c1 v32-34,
& Matt c12 v15-18,
John c5 v30 c2 v13-17,
John c7 v16 c4 v1-30,
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The Spirit has the love of the Son:
and is credited with
the loving actions of the Son:
The Spirit has complete access to
the Father’s justice:
& the Father’s vast
knowledge:
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John c16 v6-7,,
Matt c12 v28,,
Matt c4 v1-2 Luke c4 v1-2*
John c16 v13-15,,
*These 2 New Testament
examples of God’s Spirit
executing justice
are weak.
(During this, post-4gospels,
Church Age,
God is only loving.)
The Old Testament has
stronger examples
if you assume that
some of the bad things
God did, in the
Old Testament,
he did by his Spirit.
See
earlier section:
SOME BAD-YET-RIGHT
THINGS THAT GOD DOES,
and the links within it.
(This link does not open
a new tab.)
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HENCE, EACH PERSON BECOMES
COMPLETE …
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The
Father has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.
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The
Son has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.
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The
Spirit has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.
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BUT THEIR ROLES IN OUR LIVES
VARY
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The
Father has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.
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The
Son has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence, omnipresence.
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The
Spirit has: .
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Justice, & vast knowledge
love
omnipotence,
omnipresence.
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REPEAT OF
THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCLUSION
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1) During the crucifixion:
Father, Son,
& Spirit
were each only part of a person,
they were three parts of one person.
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2) But at times other than the crucifixion:
whatever each
part lacks
is made up
by each part
having
complete access
to the qualities
& abilities of the other two.
Hence each part:
acts as a complete person
while remaining
only part of a person,
functionally becomes a complete person
while structurally remaining only part of a
person.
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AN EXPLANATION FOR
THE SPIRIT’S EXISTENCE
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The
phrase:
Father
& Son & Spirit
share one spirit(core).
was part of my earlier explanation
for the virgin birth.
Perhaps see earlier section: THE VIRGIN BIRTH, , , ,
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And that same phrase:
Father
& Son & Spirit
share one spirit(core).
also supports the previous sections’ arguments:
complete access
makes three parts of God
become three persons.
, Perhaps read earlier section:
, HOW THREE PARTS BECOME THREE PERSONS,
, and its subsections,
, down to this point.
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And that
same phrase:
Father
& Son & Spirit
share one spirit(core).
is also an explanation for the Spirit’s
existence:
The Spirit is the Father,
but is the Father:
travelling in
time,
in the First
Dimension,
then:
manifesting, as
the Spirit,
in this Second
Dimension.
, , Perhaps see third diagram
, , of earlier webpage: Time travel occurs in Heaven. ,,,,,
Hence, in this Second
Dimension, the Spirit:
Has no size or
form,
is
everywhere, all of the time.
Can
observe & act
anywhere, at any
time.
Whereas, in the First
Dimension, the Father:
Has size &
form,
is in one place,
at any given time.
The Father never leaves
Heaven to come here.
The Spirit never leaves here
to go to Heaven.
I know of no Bible verse
that contradicts this.
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You
may say that the Father did come to
earth,
to visit Adam & Eve – in
the Garden of Eden.
But I disregard that
instance because
this section you’re now
reading is technical
whereas the Garden of Eden
is partly fictional.
, , See earlier
section: TREAT THE BIBLICAL ADAM & EVE AS REAL, , , ,
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Or
you may say that, while Jesus was transfigured:
Matt c17 v2-9 Mark c9 v2-9 Luke c9 v28-36
Temporarily
physically changed, while still mortal,
so that he shone
like a bright light. my
abbreviation
the Father spoke to him
& the disciples
through a temporary,
localised, bright, supernatural, cloud
(like the Father spoke
through a burning bush, in Exo c3 v4).
Such instances are as close
as the Father gets
to coming to Earth.
But it’s not him coming to
Earth, it’s more like a video link.
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Or
you may say that God, the Father,
spoke to Moses face to face,
as you’d speak to a
friend. Exo c33 v11,,,,,
But God, shortly afterwards,
told Moses
that no one can see his face
and live. Exo c33 v20,,,,,
And John later writes that
no-one has seen the Father
except the Son. John c1 v18,,,,,
So, perhaps the writer of Exo c33, Moses himself,
was, in his first statement,
impressed with being friends
with the Father
(and so he should be)
such that he wrote that they
spoke face to face
when he should have written
that they were
like face to face friends.
Data from
Gotquestions.org / Did Moses see God?. ,,,,,
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IT’S BECAUSE OF US
THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS
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The Father’s heart is entirely loving.
1 John c4 v16 (& v8):
ctd
… God is love [i.e. agape love] … ctd KJV
, Any kind of human love is less than God’s kind of love: agape
love.
, I suppose that’s why it’s:
God is love, and not:
love is God.
Left to his own devices:
loving is all God would be,
God would do only
right-&-good.
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It’s only because of:
us
and:
angels
that became demons
that God does right-yet-bad.
, Perhaps see earlier section: WHY IS THE UNIVERSE SECOND CLASS?
, and:
, perhaps see earlier webpage: The
good & bad that God does
, and:
, perhaps see earlier, long, webpage: The
origin of angels & demons. ,
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And it’s only because of:
us
that God became one
person yet three persons.
, Perhaps see earlier sections:
, SON & SPIRIT
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, WHAT’S WRONG WITH A VISIBLE SOLUTION? , , .
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IN JESUS, THE FATHER REVEALS HIS HEART TO US
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Perhaps see later section:
GOD
DOES NOT CHANGE
BUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH US CHANGES, , , , , ,
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During
this Church Age:
God’s relationship with us is:
Son loves us
Father loves
us.
But unbelievers see:
Son loves us
Father
Judges us.
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If
you believe, and so renew your mind
accordingly:
God’s relationship with us is:
Son
loves us
Father
loves us.
And you see it as it is:
Son loves us
Father
loves us.
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To conclude:
In the Old Testament:
The Father did
many bad yet right things:
, , , , Perhaps see earlier section: PAST
BAD-YET-RIGHT.
But, in the New Testament:
The Father
reveals his heart to us
in
the form of Jesus,
and it is a heart
of love.
John c10 v30 (John c14 v8-11):
I
and my Father are one. KJV
John c5 v19:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
Verily,
verily, I say unto you,
The Son can
do nothing of himself,
but what he
seeth the Father do:
for what
things soever he doeth,
these also
doeth the Son likewise. KJV
John c14 v9-11:
Jesus
saith unto him,
Have I been so
long time with you,
and yet hast thou
not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest
thou then,
Shew us the
Father?
Believest
thou not that I am in the Father,
and the Father in
me?
the words that I
speak unto you
I speak not of
myself:
but the Father
that dwelleth in me,
he doeth the
works.
Believe
me that I am in the Father,
and the Father in
me:
or else believe
me for the very works' sake. KJV
1 John c4 v16 (& v8):
ctd … God
is love [i.e. agape love] … ctd KJV
, Any kind of human love is less than God’s
kind of love: agape love.
, I suppose that’s why it’s: God
is love, and not: love
is God.
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The Father always wanted to
do
only miraculous
good, like his Son.
And, in this
Church Age,
his Spirit does do miraculous good,
though his
children, through Christians.
The Cross was
unjust.
But that’s only
because, primarily, God is loving.
What else would
you expect
from someone who
creates and constructs.
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Why
I sometimes use the word ‘Punishment’
instead of ‘crucifixion’.
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